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[whatwg] Drag and drop in HTML5

From: David Hyatt <hyatt@apple.com>
Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:58:01 -0700
Message-ID: <ADB0BD74-4093-4802-80AB-47256F3A9825@apple.com>
Safari also supports a :-khtml-dragging pseudo-class (like :hover  
or :active) that is used to render the element while it is being  
dragged.  This allows you to do dynamic drag effects solely using  
CSS, is purely presentational, and so IMO does belong in CSS.

I personally think controlling focusability, dragging, selection and  
editing from CSS is a done deal.  Safari and Dashboard already  
support user-drag, user-select and user-modify.  Mozilla supports  
user-focus and user-select.  We plan to add user-focus support to  
Safari.

dave

On May 4, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Dean Edwards wrote:

> Ian Hickson wrote:
>
>> I am currently working on trying to specify IE's (and now  
>> Safari's) drag and drop API.
>> However, from an HTML point of view, it doesn't make sense. Having  
>> a style property control application behaviour is wrong -- the  
>> fact that something is draggable isn't going to change depending  
>> on what the skin is. It's not even going to change based on the  
>> media -- something that's draggable (via a mouse) on a visual UA  
>> is still going to be draggable when the user is using an  
>> interactive aural agent (albeit with a radically different  
>> interaction model probably involving explicitly picking two  
>> elements and saying that the first is to be dragged to the second).
>> So there is currently no whole-element drag-and-drop API that we  
>> can conveniently re-use.
>>
>
> Controlling behavior through CSS is OK if the what you are changing  
> is CSS.
>
> It seems there two kinds of drag/drop. One kind affects the DOM,  
> e.g. changing the order of items in a list. The other kind affects  
> CSS, e.g. dragging a window on screen. For a draggable window only  
> the CSS "left" and "top" positions would be a affected. It would be  
> difficult to specify this without CSS!
>
> Ideally, i'd like to do both. Use CSS to declare a draggable  
> element and use HTML to declare a list that can be re-ordered.
>
> -dean
>
>
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