- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 01:19:40 +0900
- To: public-websignage@w3.org
On 12/25/2012 05:28 PM, Sangwhan Moon wrote: > Been stuck in a project that needed a bit more immediate attention, > and this reply has been rotting in my draft box for the last couple > weeks. > > ...apologies. > > On 12/11/12 10:07 AM, Futomi Hatano wrote: >> On Mon, 10 Dec 2012 16:55:04 +0900 >> Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org> wrote: >> >>> BTW, I think my point is: >>> >>> - We should not restrict the possibilities of any existing >>> approaches/mechanisms including SCXML, CSS, SVG and SMIL, at this >>> stage, i.e., Gap Analysis. >>> >>> - We should not jump into technical details at this stage, though >>> detailed discussions on possible implementations/services should >>> follow. >>> >>> - We should involve all the stakeholders and get their opinions as >>> well. For example, we should ask all the participants in the June >>> workshop [1] to provide their views. > > I do agree that we should not put too hard of constraints on the what > kind of approaches that the group will take to tackle the use cases, > but we *do* have to be realistic. > > Unless we can get commitment from at least two browser vendors that a > certain specification that we bring to the table will be implemented, > putting that into a best practice document would make the document > itself a lost cause. > > As for SCXML, at least Opera has no plans to _natively_ support it. > > I cannot speak for any other browser vendor, but it does not seem like > there is any native implementation in any browser at the moment from a > quick investigation, and I couldn't find any backlog of such work being > tracked either. Hi Sangwhan, Thanks for your comments. I think one of the points here is what the scope of the Web-based Signage BG is. The BG's page [1] says: [[ The goal of the group is to identify use cases and system image/model for expansion of web browser based digital signage and smarter integration of existing Web standards. ]] And my understanding is that "Web-based Signage Use Cases" can include some system which consists of (one or more) Web Browsers and (one or more) SCXML-based servers. For example, Innes said they used SCXML for their signage services, but I don't think it meant they implemented a Web browser which included SCXML. So I'd suggest we have two sections (or subsections) for the requirements document, i.e., one for client-side technology and another for server-side technology (or combination of servers and clients using WebSocket, etc.). > I _did_ find this: https://github.com/jbeard4/SCION > > I believe the largest problem is the amount of complexity that SCXML > brings to the table versus the amount of use cases it solves. I'm not sure a (simple) signage use case needs all the features of the SCXML specification. Maybe we can define a signage profile for SCXML (or HTML5, CSS3, etc.) if needed, can't we? In any case, I'm not saying we have to include SCXML in the requirements document, but I don't think there is any reason to exclude it at the use cases and requirements stage given there is a use case. BTW, when I attended the Web and Automotive Workshop in November [2], Audi said they used SCXML for their in-car systems, that could be also a kind of Web-based signage use case, I think. [1] http://www.w3.org/community/websignage/ [2] http://www.w3.org/2012/11/14-webandauto-minutes.html Thanks, Kazuyuki > If there is a *absolute* need for a declarative model for timed > elements that cannot be covered with a imperative development model > (Javascript), we should try to find a pragmatic and simple solution > that is readily available and allows the developers to write content > immediately, rather than rely on a standard where the implementation > status of browsers or learning curve may slow them down. > > I have yet to take a look at web animations, that could be a possibility > - although I'm still trying to get my head around the bit if there is a > absolute necessity for the above-mentioned declarative model. > > Sangwhan > -- Kaz Ashimura, W3C Staff Contact for Web&TV, MMI and Voice Tel: +81 466 49 1170
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