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Re: Screensharing: Bootstrapping Collaboration between Capturer and Capturee

From: Sergio Garcia Murillo <sergio.garcia.murillo@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 15:07:51 +0200
Message-ID: <CA+ag07b0XW6dsZ0CDn85w44Tb39xcdoDwggQxbmdjKZkOLHm+Q@mail.gmail.com>
To: Youenn Fablet <youenn@apple.com>
Cc: Elad Alon <eladalon@google.com>, WebRTC WG <public-webrtc@w3.org>
Hi Youenn,

I was thinking exactly on that for defining new "presentation" actions,
although not sure if it would narrow the use cases too much.

Another interesting use case could be about letting the capturee provide
the best contentHint for the media stream as the capturer won't be able to
have much info about the contents.

The navigation information is more sensitive, and I don't see a way to make
it usable without allowing specific domains.

Best regards
Serigo

El jue, 10 jun 2021 a las 14:16, Youenn Fablet (<youenn@apple.com>)
escribió:

> Interesting idea Sergio.
> I wonder whether https://w3c.github.io/mediasession/#actions-model could
> be a source of inspiration here.
> Already defined actions include actions like toggling camera/microphone or
> play/pause. They are triggered by user interacting with UA UI and web
> application registering to those actions.
>
> I wonder whether next slide/previous slide could be defined as actions.
> Capturee would register to those actions.
> Capturer would somehow trigger those actions based on a bootstrap
> mechanism tied to getDisplayMedia.
> Or UA specific UI would allow trigger them in case UA is smart enough to
> understand what is happening.
>
> On 10 Jun 2021, at 09:11, Sergio Garcia Murillo <
> sergio.garcia.murillo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Elad,
>
> I find this API really interesting and I can understand the value for
> google and other service providers. However, it is unclear what is the
> benefit for the rest of the community. Let me explain my concerns.
>
> Given that the method are opt-in, I foresee that only the web sites
> interested in being captured will ever use this API, and given that the the
> web sites can set the domains that will be allowed to receive that
> information, it is not unreasonable to think that they will only allow for
> the same company VC products.
>
> So my worries are that we will end up having an API that will be only
> enabled in google docs to be able to expose information to google meet, and
> in microsoft 360 to expose information to microsoft teams, and they will be
> able to provide a much better presentation experience than the rest of VC
> services. I am not saying that these are Google or Microsoft intentions,
> but that is a more than feasible possibility.
>
> I understand the value of an API like that, but I think it should be a
> benefit for all, not just for the ones that control both the content and
> the conferencing services. I really hope that the API can be modified so
> this can happen.
>
> Best regards
> Sergio
>
>
> El mar, 8 jun 2021 a las 16:23, Elad Alon (<eladalon@google.com>)
> escribió:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> An existing issue with screensharing is that the capturing app cannot
>> easily discover which application is being captured, even if the captured
>> application wishes to expose this information. Are you tab-sharing a
>> Wikipedia page or a presentation? If a presentation - what is its session
>> ID? The capturing application does not know. And what a shame that is! For
>> if the capturing application knew what it was capturing, it could establish
>> out-of-band communication with the captured application and request the
>> next slide, next article or anything, really, without forcing the user to
>> switch tabs back and forth.
>>
>> *Capture Handle* is a feature that solves that problem. I've started Discourse
>> thread
>> <https://discourse.wicg.io/t/proposal-capture-handle-bootstrap-app-collaboration-when-screensharing/5354/> on
>> the WICG. There's also an explainer
>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oSDmBPYVlxFJxb7ZB_rV6yaAaYIBFDphbkx5bXLnzFg/edit?usp=sharing> and
>> a spec-draft <https://eladalon1983.github.io/capture-handle/>.
>>
>> This feature is available for *Origin Trial in Chrome beginning with m92*
>> .
>>
>> Please send me feedback in whichever way you find most convenient.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Elad Alon
>>
>
>
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