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Re: FW: [Bug 20810] SDP inadequately defined

From: Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:15:18 -0700
Message-ID: <54518316.1070609@alvestrand.no>
To: public-webrtc@w3.org
On 10/28/2014 09:12 PM, cowwoc wrote:
> On 28/10/2014 11:35 PM, Harald Alvestrand wrote:
>> On 10/28/2014 01:07 PM, Matthew Kaufman (SKYPE) wrote:
>>> I'm not entirely thrilled about all the bugs being closed as "this
>>> is the IETF's problem", but this one in particular is an issue.
>>> There is currently NO chain of normative references, RFC or
>>> otherwise, which when used as a specification results in SDP that is
>>> compatible with any SDP generated or consumed by any WEBRTC
>>> implementation. This is a bug *with the W3C specification* until
>>> such time as we reach the point where the normative references are
>>> sufficient to create an interoperable implementation without
>>> reference to third party source code.
>> I disagree with your interpretation of the state of play.
>>
>> The current reference to how SDP should be generated and parsed is JSEP.
>>
>> I agree that JSEP is not specifying the generation and parsing that
>> browsers do today. This is a) a problem with JSEP (it wasn't complete
>> last time I looked at it), and b) a problem with the browsers (they have
>> not been updated to follow the parts of the spec that *are* complete).
>>
>> But the WEBRTC (W3C) bugtracker is about tracking issues that can be
>> solved by *modifying W3C specifications*. There is nothing here that can
>> be fixed by modifying a W3C specification.
>>
>> My conclusion is that keeping a bug in the W3C bugtracker that says
>> "JSEP is not complete" makes no sense. Therefore, I closed this bug.
>
> How do you propose making sure that WebRTC 1.0 does not ship with
> critical components (such as JSEP) underspecified? I get the fact that
> this is in IETF's court but, semantics aside, isn't this something we
> need to worry about?

Speaking personally:
I intend to participate in the IETF and contribute towards making sure
JSEP is completed.
I have the faith that the IETF will not publish JSEP as an RFC until it
is complete.

WRT the concept of "ship":
At the time of W3C Last Call, references to internet-drafts are appropriate.
At some later state in the W3C process, they are not appropriate - Dom
will know the details.

Sooner or later, the work will be done.

But leaving a bug open in the W3C bug tracker has no influence on how
fast it gets done.

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