- From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
- Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 06:57:39 -0700
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Hi folks, Since it seems like we're going to be having a large number of interims, I thought it might be instructive to try to analyze a bunch of different locations to figure out the best strategy. My first cut analysis is below. Note that I'm not trying to make any claims about what the best set of venues is. It's obviously easy to figure out any statistic we want about each proposed venue, but how you map that data to "best" is up to you. In particular, there's some tradeoff between minimal total travel time and a "fair" distribution of travel times (not that I claim to know what that means). METHODOLOGY The data below is derived by treating both people and venues as airport locations and using travel time as our primary instrument. 1. For each responder for the current Doodle poll, assign a home airport based on their draft publication history. We're missing a few people but basically it should be pretty complete. Since these people responded before the venue is known, it's at least somewhat unbiased. 2. Compute the shortest advertised flight between each home airport and the locations for each venue by looking at the shortest advertised Kayak flights around one of the proposed interim dates (6/10 - 6/13), ignoring price, but excluding "Hacker fares". [Thanks to Martin Thomson or helping me gather these.] This lets us compute statistics for any venue and/or combination of venues, based on the candidate attendee list. The three proposed venues: - San Francisco (SFO) - Boston (BOS) - Stockholm (ARN) Three hubs not too distant from the proposed venues: - London (LHR) - Frankfurt (FRA) - New York (NYC) [0] Also, Calgary (YYC), since the other two chair locations (BOS and SFO) were already proposed as venues, and I didn't want Cullen to feel left out. RESULTS Here are the results for each of the above venues, measured in total hours of travel (i.e., round trip). Venue Mean Median SD ---------------------------------------------- SFO 13.5 11 12.2 BOS 12.3 11 7.5 ARN 17.0 21 10.7 FRA 14.8 17 7.3 LHR 13.3 14 7.5 NYC 11.5 11 5.8 YYC 14.9 13 10.2 SFO/BOS/ARN 14.3 13 3.6 SFO/NYC/LHR 12.7 11.3 3.7 XXX/YYY/ZZZ a three-way rotation of XXX, YYY, and ZZZ. Obviously, mean and median are intended to be some sort of aggregate measure of travel time. I don't have any way to measure "fairness", but SD is intended as some metric of the variation in travel time between attendees. The raw data and software are attached. The files are: home-airports -- the list of people's home airports durations.txt -- the list of airport-airport durations doodle.txt -- the attendees list pairings.py -- the software to compute travel times doodle-out.txt -- the computed travel times for each attendee Obviously, there could be an error in the raw data or the software. Please feel free to send corrections, especially if you find something material. OBSERVATIONS Obviously, it's hard to know what the optimal solution is without some model for optimality, but we can still make some observations based on this data: 1. If we're just concerned with minimizing total travel time, then we would always in New York, since it has both the shortest mean travel time and the shortest median travel time, but as I said above, this arguably isn't fair to people who live either in Europe or California, since they always have to travel. 2. Combining West Coast, East Coast, and European venues has comparable (or at least not too much worse) mean/median values than NYC with much lower SDs. So, arguably that kind of mix is more fair. 3. There's a pretty substantial difference between hub and non-hub venues. In particular, LHR has a median travel time 7 hours less than ARN, and the SFO/NYC/LHR combination has a median/mean travel time about 2 hours less than SFO/BOS/ARN (primarily accounted for by the LHR/ARN difference). [Full disclosure, I've favored Star Alliance hubs here, but you'd probably get similar results if, for instance, you used AMS instead of LHR.] Obviously, your mileage may vary based on your location and feelings about what's fair, but based on this data, it looks to me like a three-way rotation between West Coast, East Coast, and European hubs offers a good compromise between minimum cost and a flat distribution of travel times. Personally, whatever we decide to do I'd ask that the WG settle now on a pattern going forward so that we can predictably budget our travel time and dollars. [0] Treating all three NYC airports as a single location.
Attachments
- text/plain attachment: durations.txt
- application/octet-stream attachment: home-airports
- text/plain attachment: doodle.txt
- application/octet-stream attachment: pairings.py
- text/plain attachment: doodle-out.txt
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