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Re: Semantics question for onaddstream() callback

From: Stefan Håkansson <stefan.lk.hakansson@ericsson.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 20:06:14 +0100
Message-ID: <4EC01526.8050400@ericsson.com>
To: Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com>
CC: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>, "public-webrtc@w3.org" <public-webrtc@w3.org>
On 11/13/2011 05:35 PM, Justin Uberti wrote:
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> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Stefan Håkansson
> <stefan.lk.hakansson@ericsson.com
> <mailto:stefan.lk.hakansson@ericsson.com>> wrote:
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>     On 11/13/2011 03:33 PM, Justin Uberti wrote:
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>         On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Stefan Håkansson LK
>         <stefan.lk.hakansson@ericsson.__com
>         <mailto:stefan.lk.hakansson@ericsson.com>
>         <mailto:stefan.lk.hakansson@__ericsson.com
>         <mailto:stefan.lk.hakansson@ericsson.com>>> wrote:
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>          >On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Harald Alvestrand
>         <harald@alvestrand.no <mailto:harald@alvestrand.no>
>         <mailto:harald@alvestrand.no <mailto:harald@alvestrand.no>>> wrote:
>          >> 1) We know that this stream is expected. The callback occurs as
>             soon as we
>          >> have the OFFER or ANSWER containing information about this
>             stream. Move the
>          >> last onaddstream() up to just after onconnecting().
>          >>
>          >> 2) We know that media is arriving on the stream. The callback
>             occurs as soon
>          >> as the first media packet arrives. Move the first onaddstream()
>             down below
>          >> the "ICE Completes" line
>          >>
>          >>
>          >> My order of preference is 1) followed by 2). But I think we need
>             to pick one
>          >> and only one, and make sure the API spec says exactly that.
>          >
>          >My vote would be (1) and to add a onmediastarted() callback to
>          >indicate the first
>          >packet for a given media stream.
>             I share this view - you need both. //Stefan
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>         Agree regarding (1). Regarding (2), what do we expect the
>         application
>         would do when it gets an onmediastarted()?
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>     That's the indication that things worked out. (1) only indicates
>     that signaling has been carried out, (2) tells the application that
>     media is actually getting through. There can be problems with
>     getting media through; there may FWs or NATs or other reasons for
>     not getting it through.
>
>     The application could e.g. wait with displaying the video surface
>     until something is actually received. (Sure there are other ways -
>     paint a canvas&analyze - but (2) is quite convenient)
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> I agree this is valuable, but typically in this case you want to wait
> until the first frame is received, not just the first packet; you don't
> want to start display of video until you actually have something to display.

Yeah. Triggering "onaddstream" once the first frame has arrived might be 
a better measure than RTP getting through.

Just for info, we've implemented according to the spec as of August, 
i.e. fire "onaddstream" when the first RTP packet gets through. We 
reasoned that if you get one RTP packet the rest of the data needed to 
display anything will anyway arrive shortly. We've also discussed 
delaying "onaddstream" until at least one RTP packet has arrived on all 
tracks belonging to the stream, but concluded that that might delay the 
event more than you want - you would like to start playing the audio 
even if the first video data has not arrived. But it would be a safer 
measure of that all tracks are getting through to the other end.

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> Failure to receive media also seems like it might be a general problem
> for the <video/> tag, so perhaps any notification of errors should (or
> perhaps already do) happen there.
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>     As the API is currently defined, feeding back to the sender that (2)
>     has happened can also be used as an indicator to the sender that the
>     streams sent are received be the receiver (of course we could add
>     error events at the addStream level to accomplish the same thing -
>     but it is already there in some sense with (2)). So it can be part
>     of error handling.
>
>     If I had to select, (2) would be the one to keep; but both make a
>     lot of sense.
>
>     my $0.02
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