Re: instant web payments via the lightning network

This data structure might help define the work flow for a standard.

It is the Associative model (rather than Relational).  Closed architecture,
but endlessly flexible:

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On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 6:52 PM Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
wrote:

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> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 11:30, Michael Bumann <hello@michaelbumann.com>
> wrote:
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>> Hi Melvin,
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>> yeah, I've been experimenting with the Bitcoin lightning network for a
>> while and I am pretty excited about the state and how easy it is to build
>> on top of it.
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> Hi, Great!
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> Funnily enough I was just reading your page, and realized it was you :
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> Tim did actually a while back ask me to interact with this group regarding
> http 402.  Some work has been done on that, including by me, and it would
> be great to compare notes at some point.  Or maybe flesh out use cases.
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>> Did you see/use lightning browser extension "joule"[1]?  It brings
>> lightning payments to the browser - and there has been some discussion
>> around supporting web payment standards - maybe somebody familiar can help?
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> I have it installed, but dont fully understand the fine details.  When my
> casa node arrives I'll be able to try it out with my own node.  But I might
> set up a raspblitz while I wait.
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> I was lead to your blog post from :
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> https://github.com/wbobeirne/joule-extension/issues/46
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>> I am wondering how to make it easier for content providers to integrate
>> LN payments and also experimented with lightning payments for API requests
>> [2].
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> I have written in the past working code for pay walls, with a dance around
> http 402, and in fact that's my current use case.
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> Do you think some areas of this work flow would benefit from
> standardization?
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> With solid it's possible to access control content, and give back a 4xx.
> We dont yet return 402s but I've custom hacked a server to do that.  I'm
> not quite sure how a server will be able to know to send a 402.
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>> [1] https://lightningjoule.com/
>> [2]
>> http://michaelbumann.com/post/180389589277/bitcoin-lightning-machine-to-machine-api-payments
>> [2] https://github.com/bumi/ln-markdown-to-pdf
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>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:04 PM, Melvin Carvalho <
>> melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > I am curious if any of this group is interested in the lightning
>> network [1].
>> >
>> > For those that are unaware, it is a system built on top of block chains
>> that allow zero cost instant payments in a zero trust environment.
>> >
>> > There has been lots of innovation already this year, and it seems to be
>> growing fast.  One service that impressed me is a custodial service built
>> on top of twitter that allows you to add a tip jar based on your twitter
>> account.
>> >
>> > https://tippin.me/
>> >
>> > This is a really easy way for non technical people to experience web
>> payments and bitcoin in the browser, without the overhead of a high
>> technical barrier to entry, or downloading a wallet.
>> >
>> > Additionally I have added this to my sollid profile using the the foaf
>> : tipjar predicate that has been around for about a decade but never really
>> used.  The I have added it looks as follows :
>> >
>> > In turtle :
>> >
>> > </#me> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/tipjar> <
>> https://tippin.me/@melvincarvalho> .
>> >
>> > In RDFa :
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>> > <a target="_blank" rel="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/tipjar" href="
>> https://tippin.me/@melvincarvalho">https://tippin.me/@melvincarvalho</a>
>> >
>> > There are also new solutions such as a mobile wallet that receives
>> payments (blue wallet), decentralized apps (Lapps) and ability to run your
>> own node eg on a raspberry pi.
>> >
>> > If anyone is playing around in this space would love to hear from you,
>> or if you'd like to get started and have, say a tippin me account, I'd be
>> happy to send some satoshis (the unit of currency) to play around with.
>> >
>> > I think this brings forth an exciting new era of instant payments in
>> the browser.  Would love to hear from anyone else that is interested in
>> this tech.
>> >
>> > [1] http://lightning.network
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