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Re: Verifiable Claims Charter Proposal prepped for W3M

From: Tony Camero <tonycamerobiz@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 20:37:01 -0500
Message-ID: <CAJqDFU+NsO8SyF4YFRx0b-bdHYBLiak6UMuM8+mAsBs3M6er4w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
Cc: Joseph Potvin <jpotvin@opman.ca>, Marta Piekarska <marta@blockstream.io>, Web Payments CG <public-webpayments@w3.org>
But facebook certainly keeps your data. There is no law that mandates them
to remove it and if you choose to donwload the data, they still own it


On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Its already a function. Just request and download thr archive.
>
> You'd need an app framework that is distinctly different and able to parse
> the records to make them useful if that was of any real benefit to humans.
>
> Mind, most can be done via their API.
>
> Tim.h.
>
>
> On Wed., 12 Oct. 2016, 1:13 am Tony Camero, <tonycamerobiz@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone see a time when non-human entities (eg Facebook) MUST yield
>> to the choice of humans to leave or take their personal data? Seems it
>> would require a huge shift toward elevating human sovereignty over
>> fictions, and entirely new digital infrastructures...
>>
>> A pipe dream?
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 5:56 AM, Joseph Potvin <jpotvin@opman.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Straying somewhat from the subject line...
>>
>> RE: "User Informed approach: developing solutions with users in the room”.
>>
>> In human-mediated digitally-enhanced scenarios, the digital system
>> presents information, and the humans retain the responsibility and right to
>> decide. In purely algorithmic trading, the digital system can be left to
>> autopilot. But in both scenarios, the designer/developer community ought to
>> pay attention to Wiener's Laws:
>>
>>    - http://aviationweek.com/blog/wiener-s-laws
>>    - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/11/crash-
>>    how-computers-are-setting-us-up-disaster
>>    <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/11/crash-how-computers-are-setting-us-up-disaster>
>>
>> It's interesting that few who write about Wiener's Laws grasp that by
>> intentionally leaving Laws 1-16 blank, he was just emphasizing the
>> methodological significance of uncertainty. Or, at least this is my
>> interepretation. This is illustrated here
>> <https://wiki.opensource.org/bin/download/Projects/flow-syllabus/The+General+Direction+of+FLOW/The+Methodological+Significance+of+Uncertainty/WebHome/uncertainty_visualize_medium.png>
>> (and explained in detail here
>> <https://wiki.opensource.org/bin/Projects/flow-syllabus/The+General+Direction+of+FLOW/The+Methodological+Significance+of+Uncertainty/>
>> ).
>>
>> Wiener's Laws have interesting application in diverse fields... including
>> e-commerce and e-payment systems:
>> http://www.themontrealreview.com/2009/Normal-Accidents-
>> Living-with-High-Risk-Technologies.php
>> http://sociology.yale.edu/people/charles-perrow
>>
>> Joseph Potvin
>> Executive Director, Xalgorithms Foundation
>> Mobile: 819-593-5983
>> jpotvin@xalgorithms.org
>> https://www.xalgorithms.org
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Marta Piekarska <marta@blockstream.io>
>> wrote:
>>
>> In my doctoral work I have been focusing on something that I call Used
>> Informed approach. Maybe thats the wording you are looking for.
>>
>> Basically, what I did was shifted the focus of development of privacy and
>> security tools so that you let the users (and in that case you don’t have
>> to define user as human, users are also other machines that *use* your
>> solutions) define what is the missing link between how X works and how it
>> actually works. Then you find a way to bridge the gap. In a way instead of
>> “developing solutions with users in mind” (user-centric approach), you can
>> say that User Informed approach is “developing solutions with users in the
>> room”.
>>
>> Have a good day
>> m
>> —
>> Security Architect @ Blockstream
>>
>> mp@blockstream.com
>>
>> +491703311307 (Germany)
>> +14159608938 (U.S.)
>> Signal, Wickr (martap)
>>
>> > On Oct 10, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 10/10/2016 08:25 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>> >> See wording: http://mydata2016.org
>> >
>> >> From the site:
>> >
>> >> MyData is a human centered approach in personal data management that
>> >> combines industry need to data with digital human rights.
>> >
>> >> Personal data has increasingly significant social, economic, and
>> >> practical value. The EU’s recent General Data Protection Regulation
>> >> changes the landscape in which organizations operate. Organizations
>> >> around the globe are busy exploring the opportunities of human­
>> >> centric personal data. Whole industries such as energy, health &
>> >> well­being, or finance, are already being disrupted by this trend.
>> >
>> > There are some pretty big names involved in the conference, and the
>> > "human centric" terminology is used pretty heavily throughout. Maybe we
>> > were too early in trying it and setting it aside. We should watch the
>> > outcome of the conference and see if it there is now a strong up-tick in
>> > usage. What we're working on certainly can be used for human-centric
>> > initiatives... it's just that it's not only for humans.
>> >
>> > I'm sure this'll come up at our upcoming face to face. Doc Searls is one
>> > of the speakers at MyData 2016 and he'll be at IIW, so we'll have to
>> > pick his brain on the terminology.
>> >
>> > -- manu
>> >
>> > --
>> > Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny)
>> > Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
>> > blog: Rebalancing How the Web is Built
>> > http://manu.sporny.org/2016/rebalancing/
>> >
>>
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