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Re: Verifiable Claims Charter Proposal prepped for W3M

From: Tony Camero <tonycamerobiz@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 09:10:34 -0500
Message-ID: <CAJqDFUJ+ewBzPK-viR2Zpbyho0vt=PFG=ubtXAEAh-zmXCh6wQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Joseph Potvin <jpotvin@opman.ca>
Cc: Marta Piekarska <marta@blockstream.io>, Web Payments CG <public-webpayments@w3.org>
Does anyone see a time when non-human entities (eg Facebook) MUST yield to
the choice of humans to leave or take their personal data? Seems it would
require a huge shift toward elevating human sovereignty over fictions, and
entirely new digital infrastructures...

A pipe dream?

On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 5:56 AM, Joseph Potvin <jpotvin@opman.ca> wrote:

> Straying somewhat from the subject line...
>
> RE: "User Informed approach: developing solutions with users in the room”.
>
> In human-mediated digitally-enhanced scenarios, the digital system
> presents information, and the humans retain the responsibility and right to
> decide. In purely algorithmic trading, the digital system can be left to
> autopilot. But in both scenarios, the designer/developer community ought to
> pay attention to Wiener's Laws:
>
>    - http://aviationweek.com/blog/wiener-s-laws
>    - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/11/crash-how
>    -computers-are-setting-us-up-disaster
>    <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/11/crash-how-computers-are-setting-us-up-disaster>
>
> It's interesting that few who write about Wiener's Laws grasp that by
> intentionally leaving Laws 1-16 blank, he was just emphasizing the
> methodological significance of uncertainty. Or, at least this is my
> interepretation. This is illustrated here
> <https://wiki.opensource.org/bin/download/Projects/flow-syllabus/The+General+Direction+of+FLOW/The+Methodological+Significance+of+Uncertainty/WebHome/uncertainty_visualize_medium.png>
> (and explained in detail here
> <https://wiki.opensource.org/bin/Projects/flow-syllabus/The+General+Direction+of+FLOW/The+Methodological+Significance+of+Uncertainty/>
> ).
>
> Wiener's Laws have interesting application in diverse fields... including
> e-commerce and e-payment systems:
> http://www.themontrealreview.com/2009/Normal-Accidents-Livin
> g-with-High-Risk-Technologies.php
> http://sociology.yale.edu/people/charles-perrow
>
> Joseph Potvin
> Executive Director, Xalgorithms Foundation
> Mobile: 819-593-5983
> jpotvin@xalgorithms.org
> https://www.xalgorithms.org
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 3:48 AM, Marta Piekarska <marta@blockstream.io>
> wrote:
>
>> In my doctoral work I have been focusing on something that I call Used
>> Informed approach. Maybe thats the wording you are looking for.
>>
>> Basically, what I did was shifted the focus of development of privacy and
>> security tools so that you let the users (and in that case you don’t have
>> to define user as human, users are also other machines that *use* your
>> solutions) define what is the missing link between how X works and how it
>> actually works. Then you find a way to bridge the gap. In a way instead of
>> “developing solutions with users in mind” (user-centric approach), you can
>> say that User Informed approach is “developing solutions with users in the
>> room”.
>>
>> Have a good day
>> m
>> —
>> Security Architect @ Blockstream
>>
>> mp@blockstream.com
>>
>> +491703311307 (Germany)
>> +14159608938 (U.S.)
>> Signal, Wickr (martap)
>>
>> > On Oct 10, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 10/10/2016 08:25 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>> >> See wording: http://mydata2016.org
>> >
>> >> From the site:
>> >
>> >> MyData is a human centered approach in personal data management that
>> >> combines industry need to data with digital human rights.
>> >
>> >> Personal data has increasingly significant social, economic, and
>> >> practical value. The EU’s recent General Data Protection Regulation
>> >> changes the landscape in which organizations operate. Organizations
>> >> around the globe are busy exploring the opportunities of human­
>> >> centric personal data. Whole industries such as energy, health &
>> >> well­being, or finance, are already being disrupted by this trend.
>> >
>> > There are some pretty big names involved in the conference, and the
>> > "human centric" terminology is used pretty heavily throughout. Maybe we
>> > were too early in trying it and setting it aside. We should watch the
>> > outcome of the conference and see if it there is now a strong up-tick in
>> > usage. What we're working on certainly can be used for human-centric
>> > initiatives... it's just that it's not only for humans.
>> >
>> > I'm sure this'll come up at our upcoming face to face. Doc Searls is one
>> > of the speakers at MyData 2016 and he'll be at IIW, so we'll have to
>> > pick his brain on the terminology.
>> >
>> > -- manu
>> >
>> > --
>> > Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny)
>> > Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
>> > blog: Rebalancing How the Web is Built
>> > http://manu.sporny.org/2016/rebalancing/
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
Received on Tuesday, 11 October 2016 14:11:23 UTC

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