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Re: sketching out HTTP 402 workflow

From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 17:00:05 +0200
Message-ID: <CAKaEYhLcx1VMZUsW3S_F2LrqR1XgjrWU7Q2BmOARUtH6Sa2b=Q@mail.gmail.com>
To: Adrian Hope-Bailie <adrian@hopebailie.com>
Cc: Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net>, Web Payments <public-webpayments@w3.org>
On 27 July 2015 at 13:15, Adrian Hope-Bailie <adrian@hopebailie.com> wrote:

> Melvin,
>
> Have a look at the flow that's been proposed in the Web Payments WG draft
> charter[1]. It consists of two request response pairs to establish the
> terms of the payment and complete it's execution. The primary use case
> (motivated by the browser vendors who are all participating) is to exchange
> these messages via a browser API but the 402 use case for web services is
> not out of scope.
>
> The intention is for the standard to be sufficiently general that both
> push and pull payments will be supported. The whole flow is initiated by
> the payee sending a payment initiation request document to the payer which
> contains the terms of payment and a list of supported payment methods. This
> could be passed as the body of the 402 response from the API as well as a
> location (or other) header indicating where to POST the initiation response?
>
> I'd be interested to see how the 402 use case could be solved using the
> same set of messages and flow as the WG is planning to standardise. This
> would be valuable input into the WGs work.
>

Regarding the initial balance.

I'm thinking of the following workflow (quite similar to ripple)

1. Check balance
2. If balance > 0 ... give chance to pay
3. If balance = 0 (will be the most common case at start)
3.1 "Would you like a friend to pay for you"
3.2 Show list of friends that have a balance
3.3 Allow friend to pay, then pay them back when you accumulate credits

For my poetry site, what I will do is give people credits for uploading
poetry, rating verses, adding annotations, linking to interesting
commentaries etc.

So even if you start with a 0 balance, so long as you're in the web of
trust you can probably get started quite quickly, do good work and then pay
back

Friends can have a limit of how much their other friends can 'borrow' from
them ... this concept is quite similar to ripple trust grants or trust
davis ... i havent modeled it yet, but will probably need to quite soon by
having a predicate Alice <:Trusts> Bob -- shouldnt take long but if there's
input on that, id be interested to hear ...


>
> Adrian
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/2015/06/payments-wg-charter
>
> On 27 July 2015 at 10:11, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 27 July 2015 at 04:31, Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/26/15 2:56 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can see a demo partly completed at:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://inartes.com/?contentURI=https:%2F%2Finartes.databox.me%2FPublic%2Fdante%2Finferno-02%23139
>>>>
>>>> Click on "Next Verse"
>>>>
>>>
>>> Awesome!
>>>
>>> Just the kind of demo I've been hoping could happen for the last, oh,
>>> ten years?
>>>
>>> I'm not Dante, but I certainly have lots of material I could set up with
>>> something like this if/when it's operational (and/or beta).
>>>
>>
>> Sure, actually it can already point to any text so long as it's split
>> into chapters and verses.
>>
>> I'd like to add some more texts e.g. from
>>
>> http://www.poetryintranslation.com/
>>
>> And maybe finnegans wake (my favourite!) :)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Is pseudo-anonymity possible (for the payee)?
>>>
>>
>> Great question.  I havent really thought this through.  But possibly
>> yes.  How would you imagine pseudo-anonymity to work?
>>
>>
>>> Will accepting Bitcoin be possible? Paypal?
>>>
>>
>> As it's decentralized, I dont decide.  Merchants and users will decide on
>> the currency.  But bitcoin is the default, so far :)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> O what fun. :-)
>>>
>>> SR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>     I'll be using the SoLiD framework for this.
>>>>
>>>>     Anyone see any obvious flaws in the workflow?
>>>>
>>>>     [1] https://linkeddata.github.io/SoLiD/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Sent from a mobile device, please excuse any typos
>
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