Web Payments Telecon Minutes for 2013-11-13

The minutes for this week's Web Payments telecon are now available here:

https://payswarm.com/minutes/2013-11-13/

Full text of the discussion follows for archival purposes at the W3C.
This telecon was only on IRC so no audio is available.

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Web Payments Community Group Telecon Minutes for 2013-11-13

Agenda:
   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webpayments/2013Nov/0034.html
Topics:
   1. Update from W3C TPAC
   2. W3C TPAC Breakout Session on Web Payments
   3. Web Payments Workshop
   4. The Rest of W3C TPAC
Chair:
   Manu Sporny
Scribe:
   David I. Lehn
Present:
   David I. Lehn, Manu Sporny, Dave Longley
Audio:
   None

David I. Lehn is scribing.

Topic: Update from W3C TPAC

Manu Sporny: Ok, so we've been getting a ton of exposure at W3C
   TPAC 2013.
Manu Sporny: I've been going around to the various Working Groups
   that are working on stuff related to what we're doing and have
   been introducing the work we're doing in the Web Payments group.
Manu Sporny: There have been a number of people from large
   organizations that have come up to me to talk about where we are
   and where we expect the work to go. All good interactions for the
   most part.
Manu Sporny: The first group I presented at was the Broadcast
   Interest Group, which is a group of broadcasters that are
   interested in the Web as a delivery mechanism. They were
   interested because they want to sell broadcast content over the
   Web. I invited them to the breakout session we had today and a
   number of them came.
Manu Sporny: The second group was the Digital Publishing Interest
   Group, who basically give input to other Working Groups to tell
   them what they need to work on to make digital publishing more
   prevalent using Web technologies. They care about selling eBooks
   and digital written content, so they were interested in the Web
   Payments work. It was mild interest because most of what the
   group does has to do w/
Manu Sporny: display of eBooks using Web browsers.
Manu Sporny: The third group was the Systems Applications Working
   Group, who are working on the Secure Element API. We're
   interested in their work because there are a number of hardware
   devices that are capable of doing digital signatures and identity
   authentication using the Secure Element API (either via contact
   pin/chip chards or contactless NFC).
Manu Sporny: I also spent time talking w/ Mark Nottingham (Chair
   of HTTPbis Working Group) about HTTP/2.0 and the HTTP Security
   spec, and hope to follow up with him on that later this week.
Manu Sporny: I had a meeting with W3C Management to coordinate
   how we're going to run the upcoming workshop on Web Payments next
   March, during the last week of that month in Paris.

Topic: W3C TPAC Breakout Session on Web Payments

Manu Sporny: Most of the time on Monday and Tuesday was spent
   trying to build support for the Web Payments Breakout session
   today.
Manu Sporny: I was expecting only around 7-10 people to come to
   the workshop. We had 25 people show up, with around another 8
   that wanted to make it but couldn't due to conflicts.
Manu Sporny: The minutes for that meeting can be found here:
   https://payswarm.com/minutes/2013-11-13-workshop/
Manu Sporny: So, the workshop went fairly well.
Manu Sporny: We had good attendance, I did a quick 15 minute-ish
   overview and then opened the floor up to questions.
Manu Sporny: There was a mix of electronics manufacturers
   (Toshiba, Samsung, LG, Nokia), payment processors (PayPal,
   PayGate, Positron), mobile operators (Telefonica, Orange),
   television/broadcasters/media companies (TBS, WOWOW), and
   security companies (Gemalto)
Manu Sporny: there was also someone from the National Association
   of Convenience Stores, who process lots and lots of credit cards.
Manu Sporny: So, we had almost every group that we'd want to have
   in a Working Group in the room. The only people we were missing
   were people from government, but W3C is fairly light in that
   area.
Manu Sporny: There was a lot to cover and not enough time, but we
   got some very good discussion done in the time we had. Most of
   the concern was around creating a solution that didn't
   disadvantage or advantage any particular player.
Manu Sporny: For example, PayPal was very concerned about the
   browser vendors being unfairly advantaged. They were also
   concerned about mobile operators being advantaged.
Manu Sporny: There was concern around there being a full stack
   (PaySwarm) proposed instead of a discussion before the fact. I
   tried to make it clear that PaySwarm is just a proposal and
   emboidies the type of stuff we'd like to do in the group.
   However, it's just meant as a starting point and we'd modify the
   specs to pull in other technologies, or if another member has a
   better technology, we'd use that
Manu Sporny: instead.
Manu Sporny: The end result was a clear demonstration of support
   for the Workshop in Paris, so that was a really good outcome.
Manu Sporny: Any questions on this before we move on?
Dave Longley: nope

Topic: Web Payments Workshop

Manu Sporny: Ok, so I had a number of discussions with Dave
   Raggett, who has been assigned by W3C to make the Workshop in
   Paris happen.
Manu Sporny: He's pretty thinly spread at the moment, so we need
   to help him if we don't want to risk the workshop slipping more
   than it has already.
Manu Sporny: This means getting two chairs for the workshop as
   well as a program committee together.
Manu Sporny: We have already secured the primary chair for the
   workshop as of this past Tuesday. He just needs to get clearance
   from his company's management and we'll be able to announce who
   he is shortly.
Manu Sporny: We have contacted two other organizations to send a
   chair and someone for the program committee.
Manu Sporny: We should hear something back by the end of this
   week.
Manu Sporny: The chairs are responsible for ensuring that the
   agenda runs smoothly for the workshop during the 1.5 days of the
   workshop.
Manu Sporny: The program committee is responsible for reviewing
   paper submissions and getting their colleagues at other
   institutions to attend the workshop.
Manu Sporny: It's very important to strike the right balance when
   it comes to program committee participants. We need people from
   each segment of industry that we've identified - electronics,
   payment processors, mobile operators, television, security, and
   retail.
Manu Sporny: We will need around 15-20 people on the program
   committee.
Manu Sporny: and we need to have that done by the end of this
   month (November 2013). We already have 7 people on the program
   committee. We'll need to get the rest in place by end of November
   and we'll need to send out the Call for Papers/Positions by early
   December.
Manu Sporny: The reason we're in a rush is that we need to
   provide at least two months for people to get papers together.
Manu Sporny: and with the holidays fast approaching, those weeks
   aren't going to be enough for people to write papers, arrange
   travel, and invite colleagues.
Manu Sporny: We have a space for 100 people max. We need to get
   at least 30-50 to demonstrate any sort of legitimacy wrt.
   creating a Working Group at W3C.
Manu Sporny: That we were able to get so many people into a
   breakout session is a good sign, now we need to build on that
   momentum.
Manu Sporny: Any questions on any of this?
Dave Longley: not from me

Topic: The Rest of W3C TPAC

Manu Sporny: For the next two days, I'll be meeting w/ the rest
   of the Working Groups that are affected by our work, or whose
   work we'll depend on. These include the Near-Field Communication
   Working Group, the Web Crypto Working Group, and the Web and
   Mobile Interest Group.
Manu Sporny: There are also around 10 other people that have
   requested private meetings or hallway discussions related to Web
   Payments and how it affects their organizations.
Manu Sporny: So, I'll also be talking with those folks in an
   attempt to get them folded into the group.
Manu Sporny: Alright, that's all I have as far as an update is
   concerned. I probably missed a few discussions, but the general
   take-away is that people are responding very well to the goals of
   this group and how we're approaching the problem.
Manu Sporny: Any questions? If not, let's adjourn.
Dave Longley: nope
Manu Sporny: ok, good 'cause it's 1am here and I want to go to
   sleep :P
Dave Longley: :)
David I. Lehn: too busy scribing to have questions :)
Manu Sporny: no doubt.
Manu Sporny: bye bye, see you guys in 5-ish days!
Dave Longley: yes, looking forward to it
David I. Lehn: As you are talking to all these people, might want
   to ask how they want to participate.  Showing up to these sorts
   of telecons doesn't seem to be what they want to do.  Should more
   stuff be done on the mailing list?
Manu Sporny: It's a bit early to ask them  how they want to
   participate... they're just trying to get their mind wrapped
   around the stuff we're doing.
Manu Sporny: I did meet Mountie Lee and Anders Rudgren in person
   here.
Manu Sporny: Both said that they'd like to participate in more
   telecons.
David I. Lehn: Ok.  It's understandable if it's difficult to show
   up to these things.  I was just wondering what other
   communication methods we could use.
Manu Sporny: We're using the standard methods that most other
   groups use.
Manu Sporny: The problem at this point seems to be one of: 1)
   people don't know we exist and 2) when they do find out about us,
   they don't know if it affects them, and 3) if it does affect
   them, they don't know what they can contribute to.

Received on Wednesday, 13 November 2013 20:37:43 UTC