Re: MNDF_Project

Manu,

Regrettably, I'm behind. I have been amazed that the percentage
contribution for each package is given as well as the percentage
contribution is built in for npm. After interacting a bit with the
Sensorica project I have found that the Value Networks could be important
in conjunction with this. That way you could deal with all of the
complexities of reputation, role, accreditation, etc. But at the base level
I would guess it would be some percentage.

A friend of mine gave some thoughts about Debian in particular. Apparently
he was a bit big on trying things out before donating. :

"
Debian packages state their dependencies. Ubuntu uses the Synaptic package
manager to install its debian-style packages. Passing the -S flag to dpkg
will tell you which file belongs to which package. In Linux, you can find
what was typed to launch a process in the /proc virtual filesystem under
/proc/$PID/cmdline for a given process ID $PID. If the first argument isn't
a full path to a program, it should be a path relative to one of the full
paths listed in the $PATH environment variable, and you can also get the
environment out of the /proc filesystem. If it is a relative path, the
"which" program can tell you the absolute path, but since you have access
to the environment, you might as well just iterate through $PATH to find
it. Putting it all together, it should be possible to go from the process
ID of a process to the list of dependencies that the package that process
came from rely upon, and you can even get that information hierarchically
if you want it. It would be possible, then, I think, to go from a window on
your screen to the process ID of the program that created that window. So
in a rather rudimentary way, it should be possible write a program that
lets you click on a window and lists the packages involved in putting that
window on your screen. Then you could maybe have it go a step further and
let the user specify an amount to donate and have it divide it up among the
authors of those packages.

Wouldn't that be cool? If Ubuntu some day supported paying the people who
wrote the programs you use?
Then again, I mostly use my web browser, so..."

I also noticed that Dwolla was moving in the direction of gittip (or at
least it seems). I'm definitely going to have to do more with this. I seem
to be distracted by a former promise of writing up the broader picture.
Almost done. Thanks for taking the lead in the past week or so.

-Brent


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:49 PM, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>wrote:

> On 04/22/2013 11:15 PM, Brent Shambaugh wrote:
> > <2> http://bshambaugh.org/MNDF_Project.html
>
> Brent, what a cool concept! Here were my thoughts when reading your
> proposal:
>
> Have you seen gittip? If not, definitely check it out:
>
> https://www.gittip.com/about/
>
> Did you know that the graphs that you show in your proposal can already
> be constructed for over 20,000 node.js software packages? They could
> probably also be constructed for over 30,000 Debian software packages.
>
> If you look at node.js packages on npmjs.org, you will notice that
> almost every one of them is hosted publicly on github:
>
> https://npmjs.org/package/mocha
>
> Every node.js package contains a file called package.json, which lists
> that project's dependencies:
>
> https://github.com/visionmedia/mocha/blob/master/package.json
>
> Almost every package listed in package.json is either on npmjs.org, or
> on github. So, you could easily build a graph of which package depends
> on what other package. Let's assume that you split a donation to a
> project on a 50%-50% basis, where 50% goes to the project you're
> contributing to, and 50% goes to all project dependencies. For the mocha
> project, that would be:
>
> mocha: 50%
> mocha dependencies
>     commander: 5.5555%
>     growl: 5.5555%
>     jade: 5.5555%
>     diff: 5.5555%
>     debug: 5.5555%
>     mkdirp: 5.5555%
>     ms: 5.5555%
>     should: 5.5555%
>     coffee-script: 5.5555%
>
> Pretty cool stuff... and something where you could process the payments
> in PaySwarm today. Receiving funds would be voluntary, all we'd have to
> convince people to do is add something like this in their package.json
> file:
>
>    "donations": "https://meritora.com/i/tjholowaychuk/accounts/mocha"
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -- manu
>
> --
> Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny)
> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
> blog: Meritora - Web payments commercial launch
> http://blog.meritora.com/launch/
>



-- 
Brent Shambaugh

I've worked with polymers, I teach chemistry, I'm currently researching how
to build distributed economies.
Website: http:// <http://bshambaugh.org/experiments/connect_dots3.html>
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