- From: Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net>
- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 12:58:14 -0800
- To: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, public-webpayments@w3.org
On 1/14/13 9:58 AM, Manu Sporny wrote: > So how about it researchers of the world, would you publish all of > your research through such a system? Inspiring post Manu. Three thoughts: 1. My own perspective. (sorry to be long-winded about myself, but you hit the nail right on the head for me, and I think you need to know all this to understand my position): Coming from an undergrad science background (engineering, which I left before completing the degree), I was faced with health challenges that mainstream medicine couldn't help, so for 10 years I did my own research and amassed a large library of biomedical journal articles, mostly in toxicology and immunology. On the basis of what I found I published about 4 papers circa 15 years ago, the main one fully peer-reviewed in a major journal (NIH's Environmental Health Perspectives), the others editor-reviewed, also in well-known mainstream journals. (You can find my peer-reviewed one, online free full text at the NIH site, using my name through the PubMed database; link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9539008). After this I was officially offered membership in the NY Academy of Sciences and the American Chemical Society, and was asked to peer-review other papers in my field by other journals. I did one set of peer-review, and asked to be paid for it, explaining that I had no income whatsoever and was working outside the university system, using the new Internet tools to search and find my information. After an intense exchange of emails, the editor at that journal did in fact pay me for the peer-review, while letting me know that no-one gets paid for peer-review, and that he was paying me from his own pocket. After this experience I took stock of my situation: I got paid nothing for the result of many years of work, even though this work had been accepted in one of the world's three main journals on the subject and was the reason I was being asked to peer-review; and nothing for peer-reviewing such work (realized I couldn't continue to ask editors to pay me for the peer-reviews). And I had another major monograph on the subject in progress. It was a tough decision. I squirmed around a bit, which I'll spare you; but in the end I shelved the monograph after the first draft, quit doing the research, refused the membership in the associations, and refused several other requests for peer review (the last one, amazingly, arriving as late as one year ago -- the system has a very long memory for the people it allows in, apparently). In the end I couldn't be part of such a strange system: take all my work, ask for more, make me a peer-reviewer, and pay me nothing. Too strange. So, first, from my own perspective: go for it Manu. I sure as hell needed it. Maybe I would start publishing again. Probably: I have folders full of leads to be followed, that I can't help thinking about. 2. Mainstream Researchers. I haven't been one of these, so I'll speculate only briefly: if you're being paid $70k per year for an academic or biomedical position in an institution, your position is politically and financially the reverse of mine. The open system might seem ethically sound, but unless it's obviously financially sound there will be no (selfish) reason to jump to it. Additionally problematic: the implication of the new system's success, if it is succeeding, is that the university/institutional system may not be required for certain levels and types of abstract thought; that advances can come just by people considering ideas and doing thought experiments with them. If people can get fairly paid for such work then the university/institutional system will lose some of its power (and money). So, it may be, as you say, a political choice for people on the payroll of such institutions, and I suspect most will be against your outlined open system for this reason, until it becomes necessary to jump ship. 3. Do it anyway. There doesn't seem to be a better option as far as I'm concerned. It needs to be done. I believe a large number of researchers, particularly younger ones accustomed to the open concept but also older disgruntled ones like myself, will use it immediately. It only remains to be seen whether it will be widely enough accepted that the bulk of mainstream researchers will move to it. I think it will, eventually. Maybe it's a similar situation to that of the oil companies and the alternative energy sources: we all realize it will happen. The entrenched institutions are fighting for their large piece of the pie. If, as you say Manu, PaySwarm already has this available in its core architecture, then I think the time is right to start it. Steven Rowat
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