- From: Joseph Potvin <jpotvin@opman.ca>
- Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 16:04:30 -0500
- To: Web Payments <public-webpayments@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAKcXiSr-z3pkZQu3ULi6rUCDphhw+EO3KZ4NLHUAXhOnhMjd9A@mail.gmail.com>
If you look at the rest of that section "Government Regulatory Environment", my recommended text referring to an existing IMF guideline seems by far the most conservative statement in there. Should a W3C group be shy about recommending alignment with existing international standards and guidelines? Joseph On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Dave Longley <dlongley@digitalbazaar.com>wrote: > On 12/09/2013 03:34 PM, Joseph Potvin wrote: > > In the course of removing those sections, it occurs to me as perhaps > > suitable to add the following to the existing section of "Government > > Regulatory Environment": > > > > In general, we call the Federal Reserve Board's attention to the > > International Monetary Fund's Code of Good Practices on Transparency in > > Monetary and Financial Policies, which recommends that "the coverage of > > transparency practices for financial policies in the Code includes those > > for the operation of systemically important components of the nation's > > payment system". > > > > Please let me know if this is acceptable. > > I don't think that this paper is the most appropriate opportunity to ask > the Fed to comply with certain transparency practices. I think it would > be fine to indicate that the technologies being created by the Web > Payments CG allow for greater transparency, but asking the Fed to do > anything other than consider adopting that technology (for the various > reasons outlined in the paper) goes too far. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Joseph Potvin <jpotvin@opman.ca > > <mailto:jpotvin@opman.ca>> wrote: > > > > I'm fine with removing it. As said in my message, it was "for your > > assessment, discussion, revision/rejection". > > > > Joseph > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Manu Sporny > > <msporny@digitalbazaar.com <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com>> > wrote: > > > > Joseph, a few suggestions: > > > > 1. As Dave Raggett said, you can't say the W3C will do this or > > that. We > > do not represent an official W3C position here, those statements > can > > only be made by W3C management and it will take months to get > > buy-in for > > that. If we put in those statements, we'll be mis-representing > > the W3C, > > which will endanger the transition of our work into a W3C > > Working Group. > > This is a clear red line, we must not cross it. > > > > 2. Even stating that the W3C Web Payments Community Group will do > > this/that is not possible given our timeframe. We run on > > consensus, and > > we don't have time to form consensus before submitting the > > paper. So, > > the best we can do is outline the technologies we're working on > and > > where we think the US Fed can help as facts/opinions coming from > > individual authors of a paper submitted by members of a group > > operating > > as a CG at W3C. It's a distinction that is important to make. > > The paper > > isn't our position as a group, it's the position of a few > members of > > this group (the ones that co-author the paper with me). We can't > > misrepresent the views of this group either. > > > > 3. While I agree with the thrust of what you are saying, I'm > > concerned > > that the way you worded both sections is unnecessarily > > antagonistic. We > > want to draw the US Fed into this group to participate, showing > them > > that we have a solution to some of the problems they outlined, > > not come > > across as a group that is making large demands of it. > > > > 4. The changes that you are requesting are more about politics > > external > > to this group and things that this group is not working on at > all. I > > realize that we need both sorts of changes to move forward, but > this > > group is not involved in any of the standards that you outline > > in the > > "Conformance with Open Standards" section. WTO, IMF, ISO/IEC - > > we have > > almost no involvement with those groups and it's hard to > > translate what > > you're writing into something that's actionable by the US Federal > > Reserve. It comes across as a radical group making demands of an > > organization that is not going to be able to make those changes > > in the > > next 5-10 years if ever due to the current political environment. > > > > On 12/09/2013 07:44 AM, Joseph Potvin wrote: > > > = Conformance with Open Standards = = Principles of a Free and > > > Democratic Society = > > > > While I agree with the thrust of what you are saying, I'm > > concerned that > > the way you worded both sections is unnecessarily antagonistic. > It > > treats the US Fed as an adversary rather than a partner. Phrases > > like: > > > > "W3C web payments community group calls upon the US Federal > Reserve > > Board to align its system with the International Monetary Fund" > > > > are so politically charged that it'll marginalize the work we're > > doing > > here. Additionally, changing what I wrote: > > > > "Unfortunately, the lack of political will at the Federal level > to > > support new technologies like" > > > > to[1] > > > > "We recommend that Federal Reserve find the political courage to > > engage > > current-generation technologies" > > > > is a change for the worse, it wrongly paints the Fed as weak, > > and doing > > that is no way to win friends. :) > > > > In short: suggest, don't demand. > > > > Could you re-write those two sections with this input in mind. > > I'm also > > going to have to go through what I wrote and make sure it doesn't > > violate any of the suggestions above, I have a feeling that it > > does. :) > > > > Steven's feedback is also good, the paper is now too long and > > hodgepodge, we need to start aggressively condensing and deleting > > unnecessary content. I'm going to start with the technical mumbo > > jumbo > > that I wrote at the end. > > > > -- manu > > > > [1] > > > http://www.w3.org/community/webpayments/wiki/index.php?title=FedPaymentsPositionPaper&diff=133&oldid=132 > > > > -- > > Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu > Sporny) > > Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. > > blog: Meritora - Web payments commercial launch > > http://blog.meritora.com/launch/ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Joseph Potvin > > Operations Manager | Gestionnaire des opérations > > The Opman Company | La compagnie Opman > > http://www.projectmanagementhotel.com/projects/opman-portfolio > > jpotvin@opman.ca <mailto:jpotvin@opman.ca> > > Mobile: 819-593-5983 <tel:819-593-5983> > > LinkedIn (Google short URL): http://goo.gl/Ssp56 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Joseph Potvin > > Operations Manager | Gestionnaire des opérations > > The Opman Company | La compagnie Opman > > http://www.projectmanagementhotel.com/projects/opman-portfolio > > jpotvin@opman.ca <mailto:jpotvin@opman.ca> > > Mobile: 819-593-5983 > > LinkedIn (Google short URL): http://goo.gl/Ssp56 > > > -- > Dave Longley > CTO > Digital Bazaar, Inc. > -- Joseph Potvin Operations Manager | Gestionnaire des opérations The Opman Company | La compagnie Opman http://www.projectmanagementhotel.com/projects/opman-portfolio jpotvin@opman.ca Mobile: 819-593-5983 LinkedIn (Google short URL): http://goo.gl/Ssp56
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