Re: Input needed: US Federal Reserve Payments Position Paper

I'm fine with removing it. As said in my message, it was "for your
assessment, discussion, revision/rejection".

Joseph




On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>wrote:

> Joseph, a few suggestions:
>
> 1. As Dave Raggett said, you can't say the W3C will do this or that. We
> do not represent an official W3C position here, those statements can
> only be made by W3C management and it will take months to get buy-in for
> that. If we put in those statements, we'll be mis-representing the W3C,
> which will endanger the transition of our work into a W3C Working Group.
> This is a clear red line, we must not cross it.
>
> 2. Even stating that the W3C Web Payments Community Group will do
> this/that is not possible given our timeframe. We run on consensus, and
> we don't have time to form consensus before submitting the paper. So,
> the best we can do is outline the technologies we're working on and
> where we think the US Fed can help as facts/opinions coming from
> individual authors of a paper submitted by members of a group operating
> as a CG at W3C. It's a distinction that is important to make. The paper
> isn't our position as a group, it's the position of a few members of
> this group (the ones that co-author the paper with me). We can't
> misrepresent the views of this group either.
>
> 3. While I agree with the thrust of what you are saying, I'm concerned
> that the way you worded both sections is unnecessarily antagonistic. We
> want to draw the US Fed into this group to participate, showing them
> that we have a solution to some of the problems they outlined, not come
> across as a group that is making large demands of it.
>
> 4. The changes that you are requesting are more about politics external
> to this group and things that this group is not working on at all. I
> realize that we need both sorts of changes to move forward, but this
> group is not involved in any of the standards that you outline in the
> "Conformance with Open Standards" section. WTO, IMF, ISO/IEC - we have
> almost no involvement with those groups and it's hard to translate what
> you're writing into something that's actionable by the US Federal
> Reserve. It comes across as a radical group making demands of an
> organization that is not going to be able to make those changes in the
> next 5-10 years if ever due to the current political environment.
>
> On 12/09/2013 07:44 AM, Joseph Potvin wrote:
> > = Conformance with Open Standards = = Principles of a Free and
> > Democratic Society =
>
> While I agree with the thrust of what you are saying, I'm concerned that
> the way you worded both sections is unnecessarily antagonistic. It
> treats the US Fed as an adversary rather than a partner. Phrases
> like:
>
> "W3C web payments community group calls upon the US Federal Reserve
> Board to align its system with the International Monetary Fund"
>
> are so politically charged that it'll marginalize the work we're doing
> here. Additionally, changing what I wrote:
>
> "Unfortunately, the lack of political will at the Federal level to
> support new technologies like"
>
> to[1]
>
> "We recommend that Federal Reserve find the political courage to engage
> current-generation technologies"
>
> is a change for the worse, it wrongly paints the Fed as weak, and doing
> that is no way to win friends. :)
>
> In short: suggest, don't demand.
>
> Could you re-write those two sections with this input in mind. I'm also
> going to have to go through what I wrote and make sure it doesn't
> violate any of the suggestions above, I have a feeling that it does. :)
>
> Steven's feedback is also good, the paper is now too long and
> hodgepodge, we need to start aggressively condensing and deleting
> unnecessary content. I'm going to start with the technical mumbo jumbo
> that I wrote at the end.
>
> -- manu
>
> [1]
>
> http://www.w3.org/community/webpayments/wiki/index.php?title=FedPaymentsPositionPaper&diff=133&oldid=132
>
> --
> Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny)
> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
> blog: Meritora - Web payments commercial launch
> http://blog.meritora.com/launch/
>



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