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Re: trsst microblogging

From: Brent Shambaugh <brent.shambaugh@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:55:01 -0500
Message-ID: <CACvcBVoD6ihLCV=2iNbJ+DtaZvqQrkKtAf+__dzZJBqPsysu9w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Cc: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, Adam Levine <adamlevinemobile@gmail.com>, Steven Rowat <steven_rowat@sunshine.net>, Web Payments CG <public-webpayments@w3.org>
Every once in awhile I go to the library and pick up a "random" audio book.
This week it was "The power of habit: why we do what we do in life and
business". It talks about ques and rewards among other things. If I wonder
if its logic explains the reason why I was confused when I put a red ink
tube in a transparent and light blue pen casing. I hope this adds an
element to this discussion.



On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Melvin Carvalho
<melvincarvalho@gmail.com>wrote:

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> On 31 August 2013 17:59, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com> wrote:
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>> On 08/27/2013 01:26 PM, Adam Levine wrote:
>> > On the micropayment side, this is now the 4th implementation of the idea
>> > not including my Watershed FOSS project to tackle this issue in
>> > basically the same way.   Non-crowdfunded options that are already
>> > available are bitwall.io <http://bitwall.io> bitcredit.io
>> > <http://bitcredit.io>
>> > bitmonet
>> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1jh8lh/bitmonet_monetization_platform_for_content/
>>
>> Neat, I had not heard about those projects. Thanks for the links!
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>> > The microblogging and encrypted communications are interesting, but
>> > again there are lots of options out there for both that haven't taken
>> > off.   I've been pulling back from crowdfunding projects like this
>> > recently because there are so many hands working towards the goal
>> already.
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>> It's difficult to pick who will be successful. The whole decentralized
>> blogging thing is littered with successful implementations that failed
>> to gain adoption.
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>> Diaspora and Status.net being two of the bigger, more long-running
>> solutions. They have working systems and it wouldn't take much to graft
>> some greater security onto them, or add the RSS feature described in
>> trsst (which might be already installed).
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> Both diaspora and status.net run Ostatus which is a web 2.0 protocol that
> has not proven to scale well
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> I think a good place to start is to mark up user profiles in line with web
> standards such as RDFa and JSON LD
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> In traditional FLOSS you can write technical solutions to some issues, and
> introduce patches to improve the system.  But often the challenge is not
> only technical, but rather, to get patches accepted by the whole network,
> which involves human elements, leadership and introduces new central points
> of friction.
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> As it happens I've been talking to developers on two projects this week (
> status.net and lorea) to do exactly this, with positive feedback, so
> hopefully those two will be one step closer to federation
>
> I also reached out to diaspora as they have said they want to federate
> more, but I think that it's a project that while good on the presentation
> layer, is less strong at the protocol level
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>> I think many of these project focus on the wrong thing. The technology
>> is the easy part, it's the social aspect that's difficult. If you can't
>> pull and push to Twitter, G+, Facebook, etc, then it's problematic. If
>> you don't have a solution that people can just use w/o being technical,
>> it's a problem. It seems like there are so many things that you have to
>> get right in this space, and even when you get all of them right, people
>> don't seem to be interested.
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> Integration with web 2.0 platforms is important, there are some systems
> such as friendica working on this
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>> I've read a number of studies that say that people both young and old
>> still do care about privacy. However, many are just unaware of what
>> systems protect their privacy and which ones don't. Fewer are willing to
>> pay or fund systems that protect their privacy because the existing
>> systems seem to be good enough.
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> About 25% care deeply about privacy, according to studies ive read
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>>
>> Take email for instance. It's a fairly terrible protocol, rife with
>> spam. Many of the email solutions today are pretty terrible and unable
>> to cope with the level of spam and size of our ever growing mail
>> history. Gmail does a good job. It's also hooked up to the NSA in ways
>> that have been surprising to people that use Gmail. However, notice that
>> there hasn't been a mass exodus from Gmail and other hosted mail
>> solutions. People care about privacy, but not to the extent that they're
>> willing to absorb some pain to get some of their freedoms back. This is
>> more of a societal problem than a technical one.
>>
>> I really hope that we can move back towards a more decentralized social
>> Web. This group is working on a number of technologies that could enable
>> that, specifically:
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>> JSON-LD
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vioCbTo3C-4
>> http://json-ld.org/
>>
>> Secure Messaging (and identity)
>> https://payswarm.com/specs/source/http-keys/
>>
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> +1
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> We also need to decentralize payments so that developers are incentivized
> to help grow the eco system with apps for example ...
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>> I'm not certain that projects like trsst will be successful in doing so.
>> I do think that if we get all of them to start using certain messaging
>> standards, like Secure Messaging and Activity Streams, that we will have
>> a better chance of moving to a more decentralized messaging future.
>>
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> +1 activity streams 2.0 which is set to be json ld compliant seems to be a
> great way to do messagine
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>>
>> Other projects in this area to check out:
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>> http://pump.io/
>> http://app.net/
>> https://joindiaspora.com/
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> App.net is a propriety paid twitter platform without ads.
>
> pump.io I dont think will be that much more successful than it's
> predecessor status.net as imho it has scalability issues.
>
> Lesser known projects that use web standards such as my-profile.eu I
> think are the kind of project that will federate well, especially when
> adding payswarm for payments
>
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>>
>> -- manu
>>
>> --
>> Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny)
>> Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
>> blog: Meritora - Web payments commercial launch
>> http://blog.meritora.com/launch/
>>
>>
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