- From: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
- Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:27:11 -0400
- To: IETF HTTP Auth <http-auth@ietf.org>, IETF Apps Discuss <apps-discuss@ietf.org>
- CC: Web Payments CG <public-webpayments@w3.org>
My name is Manu Sporny. I'm the current Chair of the W3C RDFa WG, JSON for Linking Data (JSON-LD) CG, and Web Payments CG. I am also an editor of various W3C specs and member of the HTML WG and RDF WG. There is a relatively new spec at W3C called Web Keys[1] that now supports HTTP Signatures[2]. It is being worked on as a part of the Web Payments[3] work. Specifically, the PaySwarm[4] specifications use Web Keys and HTTP request signatures. We'd like to coordinate with the IETF on this work to make sure we have all parties interested in solving this problem involved in the work. We would also like more eyes doing security audits[5] on the protocol. For a high-level introduction to Web Keys, see the Mozilla Hacks article: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2013/04/web-payments-with-payswarm-identity-part-1-of-3/ For a high-level introduction to the Web Payments work, look here: http://blog.meritora.com/launch/ One of the first questions that came up in the IETF HTTP WG thread[5] on the matter is why none of the other HTTP authentication schemes were acceptable to the Web Payments group at W3C. Here is a quick run-down of the reasoning: HTTP Origin-Bound Authentication (HOBA) http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-farrell-httpbis-hoba-02.txt We had considered signatures in the URL in the second approach to the problem in the Web Keys spec. We eventually rejected the solution because of limitations in the URL length in some browsers and because we wanted the semantics of the HTTP headers to be able to be a part of the digital signature. We also didn't want large signed messages being dumped to the webserver logs (the request line is typically included). So, while HOBA does solve the problem, it doesn't solve it in a way that is acceptable to us. HTTP Mutual Authentication http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-oiwa-http-mutualauth-12 Overkill for our purposes and requires multiple bounces back and forth between the client and the server. Key exchange isn't required since that's taken care of by the Web Keys PKI framework. We don't intend the Web Keys HTTP signature protocol to be session-based, as a session-based value can be built on top of HTTP signatures pretty easily. HTTP Multilegged Auth http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-montenegro-httpbis-multilegged-auth-01.txt Seems like overkill for our needs and is fairly specific to HTTP 2.0. We wanted something that could work for HTTP 1.0. Multi-legged authentication is something that we're not interested in solving using HTTP Signatures. Putting state into the protocol is something we'd like to avoid if possible. HTTP Salted Challenge Response http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-melnikov-httpbis-scram-auth-00 Uses HMACs, doesn't use public key crypto, which is a requirement for Web Keys and the Web Payments work. HTTP REST Auth http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-williams-http-rest-auth-03.txt This was the solution that seemed to be most interesting to the Web Keys and Web Payments work. However, it requires quite a bit of state to be remembered by the server (the Session URIs). Keeping the state of a "session" around isn't desirable. We didn't want there to be a concept of logging in and logging out of a website w/ the HTTP Signature stuff. We'd rather that sessions are built on top of HTTP Signatures via a HTTP header or cookie. Again, if we had to pick a back-up solution, HTTP REST Auth seems like it might work for us, but we'd rather not use if we don't have to. I'll stop here and wait for feedback from the groups that are involved. I am in contact with Stephen Farrell and a few other folks at IETF about where best to coordinate the work. -- manu [1] https://payswarm.com/specs/source/web-keys/ [2] https://github.com/joyent/node-http-signature/blob/master/http_signing.md [3] http://www.w3.org/community/webpayments/ [4] https://payswarm.com/ [5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2013AprJun/0145.html -- Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny) Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. blog: Meritora - Web payments commercial launch http://blog.meritora.com/launch/
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