Re: Comments on draft charter [Was: Agenda: Verifiable Claims Teleconference - Tuesday, March 8th 2016]

+1 for casting goals with a positive outcome -- "improve" is almost always better than "reduce" but...

these are good generalized goals, but they don't serve the problem statements. - fraud and identity theft is not in our problem statement, why would we have a goal about it?  The goals we're pursuing need to address the problems we're identifying.

can we make a goal like
- set the foundation for uniform access and share-ability of claims by providing a standards driven, extensible data model for claim data

is there a way assert some kind of evidence of success of the goals we express?

section 3.2: obviously in "Security is obviously critical"​ sounds condescending

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On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Eric Korb <eric.korb@accreditrust.com <mailto:eric.korb@accreditrust.com>> wrote:
Here are my suggestions:

In Goals 2.0

Reducing online fraud, such as identity theft, by establishing a standard way to cryptographically verify 3rd party claims.
Reduced operating costs for verifiable claim issuers and inspectors as a result of a common set of technology for expressing and verifying claims.
I suggest that using "reducing" doesn't always imply the right connotation.  Perhaps we can turn these goals around to say something like:

"Improve detection of fraud,..."
"Improve operational efficiency..."

Generally, I think we need to state that our goal is to provide an implied benefit to all stakeholders: issuers, holders and consumers.  I think the tone we have is bit 1-sided - benefits to consumer only.  For example: Issuers want to protect their reputation, holders want to ensure their credentials are protected, and the consumers what to be confident in their decisions.

Lastly, in a previous comment, I suggested that we call out the need for internationalization.  I believe there was support for the idea.  Can we add words that address "decentralized and extensible vocabularies with built-in internationalization"?

Eric


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On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com>> wrote:
On 03/07/2016 11:17 PM, Ian Jacobs wrote:
> Here are some comments on the draft charter [1]. [1]
> http://w3c.github.io/vctf/charter/proposal.html <http://w3c.github.io/vctf/charter/proposal.html>

Thanks for the input, Ian. I'm just getting around to processing your
feedback now. I've migrated the VCTF draft charter to its new home in
the WPIG here:

http://w3c.github.io/webpayments-ig/VCTF/charter/vcwg-draft.html <http://w3c.github.io/webpayments-ig/VCTF/charter/vcwg-draft.html>

> * The section titled “Goals” does not really express any goals. I
> think it’s important to state them clearly.

Done.
https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-ig/commit/6ca64ce59d337833013545243920cd46399eb0e8 <https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-ig/commit/6ca64ce59d337833013545243920cd46399eb0e8>

There are now a real set of goals listed:

http://w3c.github.io/webpayments-ig/VCTF/charter/vcwg-draft.html#goals <http://w3c.github.io/webpayments-ig/VCTF/charter/vcwg-draft.html#goals>

> I also suggest deleting the first paragraph or moving to the ‘About
> this charter” section.

Fixed.
https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-ig/commit/6ca64ce59d337833013545243920cd46399eb0e8 <https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-ig/commit/6ca64ce59d337833013545243920cd46399eb0e8>

The paragraph has been moved to the 'About this charter' section.

> * "The findings suggest that there is consensus to address a
> @@@narrow set of use cases@@@“ I believe that is a contentious
> statement and suggest that it be replace by:
>
> “The Web Payments Interest Group recommended that the task force
> draft a charter to determine whether there is consensus within the
> community (including those interviewed) for the scope of work.

Done.
https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-ig/commit/6ca64ce59d337833013545243920cd46399eb0e8 <https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-ig/commit/6ca64ce59d337833013545243920cd46399eb0e8>

> * I think you can delete "Development of this charter was supported
> in part by the European Union's 7th Research Framework Programme
> (FP7/ 2013-2015) under grant agreement nº611327 - HTML5 Apps.”

Done.
https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-ig/commit/6ca64ce59d337833013545243920cd46399eb0e8 <https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-ig/commit/6ca64ce59d337833013545243920cd46399eb0e8>

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