Re: agenda+ Proposed changes to draft Web Payments Working Group Charter

> On Jul 31, 2015, at 2:05 PM, L. David Baron <dbaron@dbaron.org> wrote:
> 
> On Thursday 2015-07-30 20:44 -0500, Ian Jacobs wrote:
>>> On Jul 30, 2015, at 7:51 PM, Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 2015-07-31 02:12, Ian Jacobs wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> 
>>>> Does the following replacement text address your concern?
>>>> 
>>>> "The scope of the charter is the set of interfaces necessary to
>>>>  enable an interaction between payer user agent and payee Web application.”
>>> 
>>> This excludes "push" payments which needs an interface between the payer
>>> and their account provider.
>> 
>> That statement does not exclude push payments. Furthermore the charter is explicit
>> that push payments are in scope:
>> 
>> "These standards define a high-level message flow for a payment from payer to payee either in the form of a credit push (payer initiated) or a debit pull (payee initiated) payment, and can be used to facilitate a payment from any digital payment scheme.”
> 
> So I think my concern is this:  it's clear to you which of the two
> possibly-contradictory statements in the charter overrides the
> other.  But that doesn't mean it's clear to all readers, and I think
> it's dangerous to have text that can be interpreted in such
> different ways.
> 
> The old wording ("focuses on" rather than "is") made it clear which
> of the statements was a general description that would be overridden
> by more specific statements elsewhere.  Using "is" makes that less
> clear.
> 
> I think there are two ways to address that concern.  Either:
> 
> (1) revert "is" to "focuses on" or similar, to make it clear that
> the statement is a general description that will be overridden by
> more specific statements elsewhere
> 
> (2) make the statement of what "the scope of the charter is"
> complete, i.e., include everything else that's in the charter

David, what would you think of the option where we delete this statement:

 "The scope of the charter is the interaction between payer user agent and payee Web application.”

Ian
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