- From: Joseph Potvin <jpotvin@opman.ca>
- Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 21:25:00 -0400
- To: "public-webpayments-ig@w3.org" <public-webpayments-ig@w3.org>
- Cc: Jesse.McWaters@weforum.org
- Message-ID: <CAKcXiSpZObQLh2Jysiz0NqHn+aL6p3Fm2qKHyaatESP-8y43Qg@mail.gmail.com>
RE: "and would love to hear your thoughts on it" Like the others I also find this report to very useful, especially in helping to illustrate the high-level architectures of many of the key processes. Following are some elements that seem to be missing. I'm c.c.ing Jesse McWaters of the World Economic Forum: 1. Transactions are described as initated by either the "recipient bank" or by the "sender". (For example, see pg 47, "Key Characteristics" under the Value Chain diagrams.) It seems to me that in all three scenarios the transaction should be initiated *from outside* the financial services domain. This is acknowledged for the second and third columns (Sender; Recipient), but not in the first one. And the way that any transactions would be initiated is through the acceptance by both parties of the contract agreement, which is normally instantiated in e-commerce via a message sent from an e-invoice once the second of the two parties agrees (which might be the payer or the payee). The invoice (the contract) is 'owned' by both the sender and recipient of the payment, so I reckon it's better to say that transaction is initiated by "an event" in the e-invoice, which signals the acceptance of a contact. In the first column, perhaps the e-invoice-generated message would always go first to the *payer*'s depository managed by a bank, but I'm not sure -- maybe the payee's bank could come first in some scenarios (even if less common). If others think I'm correct in these comments, I'll be happy to collaborate in adapting some adjusted graphics from these three columns. 2. Generally I think what's missing in these representations is to distinguish the persons (eg Sender; Recipient), from the e-invoice (the word "invoice" does not appear once in the report), versus the e-depositories of the parties. 3. Two other words that don't appear in this report are "token" and "registry". This is surprising because a primary source such as UNCITRAL recognizes two classes of monetary instantiation. Therefore one may expect there there must be two very types of repositories that function to store money: - “Registry-Based” (scalar values in a ledger) - Each record (account) in the registry has a unique owner (perhaps with the ability to authorize access by others); - Transfer of rights is accomplished via balanced arithmetic changes to scalar values in the account: +1 here, -1 there; - Control is accomplished via verifiable unique owner identities & credentials; - “Token-Based” (unique artifacts in a depository) - Each token is an original and unique record; - Transfer of rights is accomplished through transfer of control over the token record itself (similar to paper-based or coin-based); - Control is accomplished via the verifiable unique tokens. 4. This broad financial services overview seems to be nicely complementary to the so-called omnichannel perspective. The two go hand-in-hand. A couple of interesting items about omnichannel are: - http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielnewman/2014/07/22/the-omni-channel-experience-marketing-meets-ubiquity/ - http://www.vendornet.com/marketing/OMSwhitepaper.pdf Regards, Joseph Potvin For DataKinetics http://www.dkl.com Operations Manager | Gestionnaire des opérations The Opman Company | La compagnie Opman jpotvin@opman.ca Mobile: 819-593-5983 On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 12:14 AM, Adler, Patrick <patrick.adler@chi.frb.org> wrote: > All, > > I recently came across the attached report in some of my work and thought > that it would provide quite a lot of value to the broader Web Payments > Interest Group. > > I hope you find the report to be as useful, and would love to hear your > thoughts on it. > > Best regards, > > Pat > > > > This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential or proprietary > information. If you are not the intended recipient, immediately contact > the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. >
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