- From: Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:38:14 -0400
- To: Charles McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>, "public-webizen@w3.org" <public-webizen@w3.org>
On 7/10/2014 3:29 AM, Charles McCathie Nevile wrote: > On Wed, 02 Jul 2014 23:56:03 +0400, Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org> wrote: > >> The draft agenda for the first call is: > > Regrets: chaals > >> 1. Goals for program > > This is the most important question. > >> 2. Success criteria for program > > I think we have a few rough ones. > - If it costs a lot of money to deal with, it failed. > - If "nobody" joins, it failed. > >> 3. Target market and marketing study > > I think the target market boils down to people who don't have a community > around them, and need W3C to make them one. People who can build their > own > communities just join as an organisation - which is probably cheaper than > the 200x $100 proposed to qualify for an AC rep. > >> 4. Brainstorming >> >> To have a more efficient call, let me say a bit in email about these >> agenda items. >> >> *Goals for the program*: I was challenged to articulate the goals of >> the program. The questioner suggested 5 potential goals: >> >> A. W3C wants to establish itself as the primary steward of the Web, and >> toward that goal wants to have individuals participate. > > I think this is actually a useful goal. However, I think our Invited > Expert mechanism, the fact that most groups work in public, and the fact > that all specs are required to go through a Public Last Call and "should" > be published for review at intermediate stages is adequate for this > purpose. > > (Not to say that there are no problems, but that I don't think "Webizens" > is the right approach to a solution to them.) > >> B. Countries grant citizenships -- W3C wants to create Webizens a la >> Citizens > > I don't think this is a good thing, so I am glad it wasn't the option you > chose :) > >> C. W3C wants to involve the wider community -- rather than be seen as a >> place where only companies play > > This is important. > >> D. W3C wants to create an additional revenue stream > > While this should not be the goal, I agree that a Webizens program should > be both self-funding (at minimum) and highly scalable. Which means if we > had the happy problem that it was bringing in a lot of revenue to W3C we > would need to address it. Ideally, we would have our goals sufficiently > clear that it would be obvious what we should and should not do in > response to this hypothetical. > >> E. Degrading further: W3C wants to sell t-shirts and coffee-mugs that >> are "branded". > > I doubt this is anyone's goal. Not because it is a bad idea, but > because a > webizen program is a terribly inefficient way to do it, and since it is > primarily a distraction from W3C's mission, it should only happen in some > very efficient and highly scalable way. > > But there is a flip side. If we think that Webizens' goal includes > 'getting W3C-branded stuff', we should say so, and think carefully about > the cost of production, handling and shipping, and what stuff we give > them > after a couple of years. > > [...] > >> *Marketing study.* At some point we will need to do a marketing study. >> It is probably too early in this effort to create the study - but I >> would like to discuss what we think is the minimum intensive study which >> qualifies as a marketing study. > > IMHO: One that identifies at least 100 individuals with their money > committed, and provides a clear explanation of where the next 900 will > come from. > >> I asked W3C Members to fund a marketing >> study (dollars or people to perform the study) but I received not >> volunteers. The Team, with its meager resources volunteered to >> undertake a study. I've asked task forcers whether the Team proposal is >> adequate, but I've gotten few responses. So we'll resolve it on the >> call. >> >> For your study, here is the Team proposal: >> >> * We have 87K twitter followers. >> * We could send them a survey monkey survey with a few questions, and >> offer anyone who completes the survey 10 vaildator coupons. > > Why are the validator coupons necessary or useful? It looks likely to > bias the responses to be from people who want something free from W3C, > if it isn't a waste of time making the offer. > > What I think we are really looking for is pledges of commitment. Which > I guess should be discounted at about 50%, although this area isn't my > specialty (in various events I am involved in running, 2/3 of > registered people turning up is a pretty common figure. In any event, > there is likely a difference between answering a survey and actually > shelling out cash). It is up to our task force to design the survey. So we can certainly have a question: "Would you sign up for the proposed program?" (assuming we have a proposal). If your goal is 100 committed people and your discuount rate is 50%, then we would have a goal of 200 positive answers from the 87K tweeters. I'll guess that the validator coupons are merely to get more of the tweeters to respond at all. > >> * We estimate that we get 100 answers that way at relatively low cost. >> * The Webizen task force would design the survey and the Team would >> implement it. > > If we're using survey monkey (or even WBS) it should be feasible for > the TF to implement a survey. > > But I think we first need to understand what the question is… > > cheers >
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