Re: Should we complete the WebID spec?

po 6. 11. 2023 v 10:12 odesílatel Stian Soiland-Reyes <
soiland-reyes@manchester.ac.uk> napsal:

> Having a world-wide registry of urn:webid: usernames sounds error-prone
> and counter-productive, unless you say the usernames are organized by
> different authorities.
>
> For instance ORCID use a series of ISNI numbers, so
> urn:webid:0000-0001-9842-9718 would be equivalent to
> https://orcid.org/0000-0001-9842-9718 -- other ISNI providers would have
> other ranges (see https://isni.org/page/linked-data/ )
>
> Note that https://orcid.org/0000-0001-9842-9718 is already a valid WebID
> and Web-based, I also declared the "WebID" page relation that adds a
> owl:sameAs against my personal FOAF.
>
>
> We already have a well-known authority for the Web based on DNS, and don't
> understand how a URN namespace for people would be beneficial if it doesn't
> come with a reservation & resolution mechanism. If there is to be such a
> registry then I am not sure why it should not be Web-based.
>

It's an orthogonal thing:

webid.info

for example contains the word webid as part of the DNS name space, but it,
itself, it not a webid

having webid in a name does not imply the thing is a webid

however this is not a CG group work item, right now


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> ________________________________________
> From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 3, 2023 14:27
> To: Jonas Smedegaard
> Cc: Kingsley Idehen; public-webid@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Should we complete the WebID spec?
>
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>
> pá 3. 11. 2023 v 6:41 odesílatel Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk<mailto:
> jonas@jones.dk>> napsal:
> Quoting Melvin Carvalho (2023-11-03 02:48:38)
> > pá 3. 11. 2023 v 1:09 odesílatel Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com
> <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>>
> > napsal:
> >
> > >
> > > On 11/2/23 5:53 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
> > > > 2. urn scheme for webids:  urn:webid
> > >
> > > What's that, and why?
> > >
> > > A WebID has always been an HTTP based URI used to name an Agent.
> > >
> >
> > Yes indeed.  But not every authentication process gives a URI (sadly).
> > Some will give a string of characters that denote an Agent, which need to
> > be turned into a URI.
>
> Not every http URI works either for delivery, but we have survived
> without needing to define urn:http-that-actually-delivers-content
>
> What is the difference? Why the need for a guaranteed working HTTP URI
> here?
>
> It's for pluggable auth systems.  Currently webid employs WebID-TLS.
>
> But there are (in 2023) over 500 auth strategies on the web.
>
> In order to make them work with a webid based system, you need a way to
> turn a local username, into a global name.  Global names are called URNs.
> So since I'm basing my system on http WebIDs already, it seemed logical to
> have URNs for web identifiers too.  Whether I do this here, on github, as
> part of a webid-lite / solid-lite I dont mind too much.  I normally prefer
> to collaborate on things, if there is sufficient interest.
>
>
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