Re: Editing the WebID spec

On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 at 18:00, Ted Thibodeau Jr <tthibodeau@openlinksw.com>
wrote:

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> On Feb 27, 2022, at 11:32 AM, Henry Story <henry.story@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Please not that CSarven has helpfully put forward 3 PRs to the
> repository recently,
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> https://github.com/w3c/WebID/pulls
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> Those are simple and easy to agree with.
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>
> I strongly prefer using GitHub Issues and PRs to trying to fake
> those tools via the mailing list, from which we have long ago
> evolved.
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> Side-by-side comparisons of changes are far easier to work with
> than mental constructions of the same from DIFFs or similar
> kludges in email messages.
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> I find it much easier to work on small incremental improvements,
> rather than changes that risk putting everything into question.
>
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> It is definitely preferable to *generally* make small changes in
> each PR, wherever possible based on clear statements of the issue
> being addressed.  A full scale refactoring of the current document
> should be discussed in some detail before it is applied -- or the
> person who builds such a refactoring in a single PR must be
> prepared for the possibility that their suggested refactoring is
> not acceptable by the CG, and so must be re-done in part or in
> whole to achieve that consensus acceptance.
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>
> The current document has had 10 years of consensus,
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> I strongly disagree with this framing of the current document.
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> The WebID IG/XG/CG changed group styles a few times over those
> ten years, but has not really been active most of that time,
> and the current document did not have group consensus when the
> group went quiet -- when the XG expired -- nor at any time since.
> No matter how many threads went across the CG and other mailing
> lists, there were no regular meetings held, and no evidence
> gathered of this alleged "consensus", via mailing list or
> otherwise.
>
> Had there been such regular calls or other conversations, it
> would have been clear that the current draft did *not* have
> consensus, even for a day, never mind the ten years you're
> claiming!
>

Believe it or not this CG has now been going 10 years

The XG before it was a very different group, and invited experts only

The last progress was in 2014 at TPAC F2F.  Since then the group has stalled

We never really created a process in this group, such as selecting one or
more chairs, selecting editors, organizing telecons

But if there's enough interest in WebID perhaps that could change


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>
> so it’s really
> up to those seeking changes to make their case, and we’d like to make
> sure we are moving consensus forward, not putting everything in question.
>
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> It's up to *both* groups to make their case, IMNSHO, and
> those seeking changes have no less firm ground on which to
> stand than those who seek to keep the document as it is.
>
> The latter have some inertia in their favor, but they have
> nothing like a consensus from the past group(s) who never
> published even a NOTE or REPORT, never mind a document that
> progressed to CR, PR, or TR.
>
> All that said -- Jacopo, your contributions are welcome,
> though they may not be accepted in full or even in part,
> as we work towards group consensus and ratification.
>
> Be seeing you,
>
> Ted
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