Re: WebID default serialization for WebID 2.x

On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 at 01:38, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
wrote:

> On 1/21/22 7:09 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting Sebastian Hellmann (2022-01-22 00:21:49)
> >> Hi Jonas,
> >>
> >> a question: I am having trouble finding the current spec. Also I can not
> >> find anything about NetID. See more inline.
> > Current draft of the WebID spec is this:
> > https://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/identity/
> >
> > NetID is a superset of WebID defined by Kingsley Idehen:
> >
> https://www.openlinksw.com/describe/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdata.openlinksw.com%2Foplweb%2Fglossary-term%2FNetID%23this&graph=urn%3Adata%3Aopenlink%3Aglossary
>
>
> Hi Jonas,
>
> Thank you!
>
> Even I forgot about our glossary [1] :)
>
> We can certainly flesh out additional information via said glossary.
>
> Related Links
>
> [1] https://github.com/OpenLinkSoftware/glossaries -- Github Repo
>

FYI: There's also a stub entry for NetID in the RWW CG wiki:

https://www.w3.org/community/rww/wiki/NetID

If there was desire to flesh that out and/or translate it into a spec, that
could be done too


>
>
> Kingsley
>
> >
> >
> >> On 21.01.22 17:49, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >>> Quoting Sebastian Hellmann (2022-01-21 17:29:46)
> >>>> I would argue for a more clear definition of what the webID
> >>>> publisher should/must provide, simply to prevent wiggle space.
> >>> So would you find it acceptable that the WebID spec states that
> >>> publishers SHOULD provide JSON-LD serialization of the RDF data (and
> >>> consumers SHOULD be capable of parsing JSON-LD)?
> >>>
> >>> ...since that is the position held by (at least) Kingsley Idehen and
> >>> Aaron Coburn and me.
> >> That is not enough in my opinion and I am picking up some points from
> >> Aaron's email. JSON-LD is a moving target. My point is maybe not
> >> making JSON-LD default/mandatory, but to make it mandatory that
> >> JSON-LD does not become a pain for "builders" (see Kingsley's mail).
> > Oh well.
> >
> > I understand your desire to simplify, I really do.
> >
> > Ruben Verborgh also wrote about that desire in his latest blog entry:
> > https://ruben.verborgh.org/blog/2021/12/23/reflections-of-knowledge/
> >
> > He links to a single paragraph by Dan Brickley and Libby Miller, about
> > that complexity issue: https://book.validatingrdf.com/bookHtml005.html
> >
> > Let me quote here the first two sentences of that paragraph:
> >
> >> People think RDF is a pain because it is complicated. The truth is
> >> even worse. RDF is painfully simplistic, but it allows you to work
> >> with real-world data and problems that are horribly complicated.
> >
> > I really wish you would agree that we should not _mandate_ but only
> > _recommend_ serialization of RDF.  We cannot possibly decide which
> > format is "best" - only what is "more popular currently", which is
> > unlikely to last.
> >
> > Kingsley calls it NetID so that stuff not strictly fitting some trend
> > can still be treated as "valid".
> >
> > I want us to use the well-known term "WebID" for that purpose.  Kingsley
> > is tired of trying make that happen.  Please don't prove him right.
> >
> >
> >   - Jonas
> >
>
> --
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>
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