Re: Web ID use cases

On 11/27/16 6:09 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
> The question was really about actual usage, a question which is
> typically answered with "I use it" which is somewhat less interesting
> for people doing market research.

Did I not explicitly state "we have customers using
WebID+TLS+Delegation" , what else do you want to hear. There are paying
customers using this technology on the basis of it being the only
practical solution to their security challenges.

>
> Talking about the latter, the fact is that almost the entire "Web
> authentication industry" are betting on FIDO alliance products and so
> have the W3C.

This has zilch to do with FIDO and everything to do with relationship
semantics and existing open standards collectively solving a real problem.
>
> Fighting the industry giants may be fun, but without a concerted
> action, you get absolutely nowhere.

I am not fighting industry giants. I am only interested in real
solutions to real problem, based on deep understanding of both the
problem and the solutions that are possible.

>
> BTW, a core idea behind Web ID has always been to *NOT* invent (=only
> rely on existing technology), which is a self-imposed limitation.

Nonsense, sorry!

Kingsley
>
> Anders
>
> On 2016-11-26 21:45, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>> On 11/26/16 3:54 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
>>> On 2016-11-23 12:40, Gabriel Lucas wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> We are designing the new website for a public cultural institution.
>>>> For
>>>> the logging system we are evaluating various options, one is Web-ID.
>>>>
>>>> The web would be based in Drupal 7, there is a module created 5 years
>>>> ago, that has not been updated in the last 3 years.
>>>> https://www.drupal.org/project/webid
>>>>
>>>> We are wondering how much Web-Id is being used around.
>>>>
>>>> Do you know of any good use case where it is being used?
>>>> Could you give us some advice?
>>>
>>> Hello Gabriel,
>>>
>>> If you want ubiquitous access, the only recommendable solution would
>>> be to accept
>>> logins from third-party identity providers like Google, Facebook and
>>> Twitter.
>>>
>>> Another option is the traditional "mail-roundtrip" registration and
>>> a password.
>>>
>>> Both would be optimal.
>>>
>>> Anything else will be experienced as a hurdle.
>>>
>>> Anders
>> Anders,
>>
>> The UI/UX hurdles that you reference in your comments above are
>> solved via WebID+TLS+Delegation [1][2]. Fundamentally, you need a
>> Identifiers and a Profile documents controlled by users for the Web
>> to work.  Failing to make this shift will simply continue to
>> challenge the Web & Internet for the worse. The world is already in
>> shock re. Brexit and recent US Elections (all real examples of how
>> Web 2.0 has affected society as we know it).
>>
>> Issues of concern are building up rapidly and their effects on
>> society are becoming more profound by the second:
>>
>> 1. Verifiable Identity controlled by users (rather than service
>> providers) -- Privacy issue
>>
>> 2. Structured Metadata comprehensible to Search Engines -- SERPs
>> issue which also affects "Fake News"
>>
>> Links:
>>
>> [1]
>> https://medium.com/virtuoso-blog/web-logic-sentences-and-the-magic-of-being-you-e2a719d01f73#.aboqar22m
>> -- Conceptual overview (with a working example) of WebID+TLS+Delegation
>>
>> [2]
>> https://medium.com/openlink-software-blog/verifiable-identity-controlled-by-you-at-web-scale-3d66399cb114#.oiyf67k2v 
>> - Showcases a new WebID Extension for Chrome, Opera, Firefox etc..
>>
>> [3]
>> https://medium.com/openlink-software-blog/semantic-search-engine-optimization-sseo-2a0ab8d17b00#.xtz068kta
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kingsley Idehen   
>> Founder & CEO
>> OpenLink Software   (Home Page: http://www.openlinksw.com)
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-- 
Regards,

Kingsley Idehen       
Founder & CEO 
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