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Re: Does FOAF provide sufficient ontological support for WebID & WWW Identity AUTH REQ's?

From: Tim Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:43:54 +1000
Cc: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>, "public-webid@w3.org" <public-webid@w3.org>
Message-Id: <58D697DE-6066-4E53-8370-CE01A98E9CD6@gmail.com>
To: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>

On 10 Jun 2014, at 10:36 am, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On 10 June 2014 01:49, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 10 Jun 2014, at 2:26 am, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 9 June 2014 17:30, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Kingsley,
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>> thanks for the response. Yes. Current format of WebID (specifically) is simply FOAF.  Calling it WebID when it means FOAF is well...  FOAF.
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>> WebID is not coupled to FOAF.  Is FOAF ever mentioned in the spec?
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/identity/
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> Sorry, my mistake.  FOAF is indeed mentioned in the spec.  But it is not coupled.

Ok.  My mistake - i thought it was coupled.    
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> "WebIDs can be used to build a Web of trust using vocabularies such as FOAF [FOAF]"
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Perhaps the documentation could include / notate other vocab used in connection to a WebID-TLS certificate; for example,

http://xmlns.com/wot/0.1/ 
http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/
http://usefulinc.com/ns/doap
http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns

(Which all appear to also use FOAF) 

I also found: http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-vocab-data-cube-20140116/ 


> But the point is that webid is not coupled to FOAF.

Cool.  


Cheers.

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>> When it starts to be used for authentication problems emerge - authentication being a form of agreement that you knowingly access a private record or access control value; that is protected by some form of authentication.
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>> Assuming of course; the authentication mechanism isn't triggering off approvals to other peoples stuff, but rather effectively providing access to stuff on a legitimate (or as intended) basis...  perhaps also, as understood by all involved parties too...  
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>> On 9 June 2014 22:10, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
>> On 6/9/14 3:56 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_identity
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_identity
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_(philosophy) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_%28philosophy%29>
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>> My rational around continuing to debate this; is that the whilst identity systems are fragmented on the web; they are fragmented by organisational influences, with increasingly lesser support for personal ones.
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>> My recent drafts about it: linked, http://webarts.mediaprophet.net/?p=72 (and http://webarts.mediaprophet.net/?p=68 )
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>> Simple answer: No.
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>> You can use FOAF terms to construct an Identity Card or Profile Document. That's where its utility starts and stops.
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>> 1. Identity -- nebulous
>> 2. Identifiers -- denotation mechanism (e.g., HTTP URI) for a perceived identity
>> 3. Identification -- identity card or profile document (you can use terms from FOAF here) comprised of identity oriented claims
>> 4. authentication -- various protocols for verifying claims made in identity cards and profile docs
>> 5. authorization -- various protocols for providing authenticated identities with access to protected resources.
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>> Having a WebID (HTTP URI) that denotes entity "You" is how you make a name for yourself on an HTTP network like the Web :-)
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>> Regards,
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>> Kingsley Idehen 
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