Re: Webid Editor/Author issue

On 29 May 2013 12:27, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net> wrote:

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> On 29 May 2013, at 12:00, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> On 29 May 2013 10:29, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net> wrote:
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>> On 29 May 2013, at 10:08, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>> On 29 May 2013 09:29, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net> wrote:
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>>> On 29 May 2013, at 01:14, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>> On 28 May 2013 11:14, Olivier Berger <olivier.berger@telecom-sudparis.eu
>>> > wrote:
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>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> In the discussion about the potential use of WebID + TLS as a mean to
>>>> sign-in to Debian Web services/apps, we somehow came to the conclusion
>>>> [0] that it could be used provided that we establish trust in WebIDs
>>>> presented by users, only if they are signed with a GnuPG signature made
>>>> by an existing Debian contributor, leveraging the existing Debian GnuPG
>>>> Web of Trust [1].
>>>>
>>>> This use of an existing GnuPG WoT, which is essentially distributed,
>>>> fits well with many interesting aspects of WebID (under control of the
>>>> user, etc.).
>>>>
>>>> Wrt Linked Data, this is not exactly optimal : GPG signatures apply for
>>>> documents and not triples, so the model is not as elegant as we'd want
>>>> it ? I guess other signature mechanisms could be more Linked Data proof,
>>>> and may make more sense wrt WebID and trust.
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>>>> Has this topic of trust wrt WebID been discussed already ?
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>>> Manu Sporny, who wrote the original WebID+TLS spec,
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>>> Saying that he wrote the original WebID+TLS spec is pure fantasy. He
>>> helped host
>>> the group for a while. The spec has it's origins way before Manu's
>>> intervention.
>>> He never participated in the WebID Incubator group.
>>> As a result I have removed his name as a author from the latest spec
>>> drafts,
>>> given that he is in fact publically arguing against WebId. His name
>>> remains in the contributors section though.
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>> You could be right, though that may be slightly harsh.
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>> I seem to recall that Manu made a big contribution to putting the spec
>> into a professional format.
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>> That may be. But that makes him a contributor, not an author or an
>> editor. And so I have kept him as a
>> contributor.
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>> Manu left the working group,
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>> He never joined as far as I recall, so he could not have left.
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>> among other reasons, because he felt that there would be greater adoption
>> in the short to medium term, without the hard dependency on X.509
>> certificates.  This was also the feedback we (Manu and I) got when speaking
>> to Canonical on a conf call about getting WebID into Ubuntu.
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>> I was not at that call. So I am not sure what was said. Manu's aims were
>> very different from what the group
>> here was trying to do. His work may be compatible with what we are doing,
>> as most standards in the end should
>> be.
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> From the normative webid site webid.info, if you click on spec you come
> to:
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> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/
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> Authors:
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> Manu Sporny, Digital Bazaar, Inc. msporny@digitalbazaar.com
> Toby Inkster
> Bruno Harbulot
> Reto Bachmann-Gmür
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>  The first draft of which was
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> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/drafts/ED-webid-20100711/
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> Manu was the sole editor of this spec, with Henry and Toby as Authors
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> Previous Version
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> http://www.w3.org/2008/09/msnws/papers/foaf+ssl.html
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> IMHO, the previous version was more a position paper than a
> specification.
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> Significant edits were made in the following weeks, where stephane was
> also made an editor (and henry remained an author)
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> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/drafts/ED-webid-20100809/
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> So, I think it was a slightly harsh decision to single him out.
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> The edits are in the mercurial repository.
> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/WebID/log/6ec1b5126712/index-respec.html
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> Different people contributed, manu integrated these contributions,
> and his contributions were mainly editorial, not authorial.
> And so he was listed as one of the editors on those specs.
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> But since he has not contributed for the last three years, ( his last
> contribution on July 2010 ) and was not present in the Incubator
> we have put him as contributor.
>

Unless one of us has travelled in time, I think you mean he HAS contributed
in the last 3 years. :)


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> I think this is pretty clear.
> It may be that we need to remove him as editor or author from all the
> recent historical versions of the WebID spec to be consistent.
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>
> Henry
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>>> put together another spec, WebKeys, to be used for encrypting and
>>> signing messages.
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>>> https://payswarm.com/specs/source/web-keys/
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>>> Could this solve the problem?
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>>> I'm unsure what you want to sign, the webid itself, the webid profile
>>> page, or the triples associated with the agent ...
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>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess it could make an interesting use case anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Any comments ?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/05/msg01098.html
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/new-maintainer.html#registering
>>>> --
>>>> Olivier BERGER
>>>> http://www-public.telecom-sudparis.eu/~berger_o/ - OpenPGP-Id:
>>>> 2048R/5819D7E8
>>>> Ingenieur Recherche - Dept INF
>>>> Institut Mines-Telecom, Telecom SudParis, Evry (France)
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