Re: Cert Ontology

22.03.2013 09:41, Melvin Carvalho:
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> On 21 March 2013 18:56, Dominik Tomaszuk <ddooss@wp.pl
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>         On 19 Mar 2013, at 16:48, Dominik Tomaszuk <ddooss@wp.pl
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>             W dniu 19.03.2013 12:36, Henry Story pisze:
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>                 On 19 Mar 2013, at 11:34, Dominik Tomaszuk <ddooss@wp.pl
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>                     W dniu 19.03.2013 11:02, Melvin Carvalho pisze:
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>                         On 19 March 2013 10:54, Dominik Tomaszuk
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>                              W dniu 19.03.2013 10:27, Melvin Carvalho pisze:
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>                                  On 19 March 2013 10:20, Henry Story
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>                                       On 19 Mar 2013, at 09:49, Mo McRoberts
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>                         <mailto:Mo.McRoberts@bbc.co.uk>__>__>> wrote:
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>                                        > curiously, the ASN.1 modules
>                         for RSA and DSA (in the
>                                  context of
>                                       PKIX) differ in terms of naming…
>                                        >
>                                        > where RSA speaks of 'modulus'
>                         and 'publicExponent', DSA is
>                                       exclusively 'p', 'q', and 'g' for
>                         the parameters and 'y'
>                                  for the key
>                                       itself.
>                                        >
>                                        > I can't help but wonder if
>                         consistency should perhaps
>                                  outweigh
>                                       friendlier naming (such that 'p'
>                         in an DSA key structure
>                                  maps to 'p'
>                                       in a set of RDF triples).
>                                        >
>                                        > rdfs:label and rdfs:comment
>                         within the ontology of
>                                  course can go
>                                       a long way in clarifying things…
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>                                       This seems to be what the XMLSIG
>                         standard does
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>                         http://www.w3.org/TR/xmldsig-____core/#sec-DSAKeyValue
>                         <http://www.w3.org/TR/xmldsig-__core/#sec-DSAKeyValue>
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>                         <http://www.w3.org/TR/xmldsig-__core/#sec-DSAKeyValue
>                         <http://www.w3.org/TR/xmldsig-core/#sec-DSAKeyValue>>
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>                                  Nice find!
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>                                  So we could simply go with g p q x y
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>                                  They all seem to be : ds:CryptoBinary
>                         (which is the same as the RSA
>                                  exponent)
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>                              +1
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>                                  So this I think would match to our use
>                         of xsd:hexBinary for all?
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>                              I do not think so. Some values should be
>                         xsd:int
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>                         It would be nice, but i think xsd int can only
>                         store 32 bits or so, and
>                         we'll need at least 100+ for each of these.
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>                         xsd:int I think can only safely be applied to an
>                         RSA exponent
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>                     OK, I don't focus on limits of xsd:int. So maybe
>                     unify all properties connected to DSA and RSA? There
>                     are two possibilities:
>                     1. use xsd:base64, pros: XSD datatype
>                     2. use ds:CryptoBinary, pros: compatibile with
>                     XMLSig. Note that this datatype is based on xsd:base64.
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>                 I think xsd:base64 and xsd:hexBinary are
>                 interchangeable. Their domain is a binary sequence in
>                 each case. If we add this we would need to mention the
>                 equivalence as a note in the WebID over TLS spec, and we
>                 should improve our programs to accept both.
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>                 If someone wants to put together the ontology in N3 for
>                 this and submitt it here for discussion we can then add
>                 it to the cert ontology when we get consensus.
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>             OK I can do it. BTW, it is good time to clear and rebuild
>             cert ont.
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>         If you do that, please just edit the n3 ontology and change as
>         little as possible, so that
>         it is easy to look at the diffs to see what was changed.
>
>     Please find the cert ont after my editions.
>     Changelog:
>     1. Add classes: DSAKey and DSAPrivateKey
>     2. Add missing RSAPrivateKey class
>     3. Add properties: p, q, g, y (public key) and x (private key)
>     4. Remove orphaned Signature class
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> +1 Looks great!
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> Minor comments, non-critical:
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> 1. This can now be removed: "TODO: - add some classes and relations for DSA"
OK, I'll remove it in the next revision.
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> 2. an integer in the range 2**159 < q < 2**160 (are you sure about 160,
> I think 256 can also be used)
Look to FIP186 [1].
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> 3. :g  rdfs:label "property"@en; <-- I think this is called the "generator"
Ups :-) I'll remove it in the next revision.

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> Looks like some good improvements and bug fixes here.
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> Thanks for adding the changes, I'll be able to develop DSA code now, on
> the assumption that this will, at some point, move upstream

[1] http://www.itl.nist.gov/fipspubs/fip186.htm

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>     In free time I will try to put the changes to HG.
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>     Best,
>     Dominik 'domel' Tomaszuk
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>         Thanks.
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>                 Henry
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>                 PS. I have a bit of a flue so I can't do much just now.
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>                     Regards,
>                     Dominik 'domel' Tomaszuk
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>                                       Next one would have to specify
>                         what the types of the values
>                                  for each
>                                       of those relations are. Are they
>                         integers or hexBinaries,
>                                       hexBinaries for very long integers
>                         - since that is the only
>                                  way to
>                                       encode those in a hexadecidmal
>                         format that can save a bit
>                                  of space.
>                                       Ie: what is the domain of those
>                         values?
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>                                        >
>                                        > M.
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>                                        > On Mon 2013-Mar-18, at 19:02,
>                         Melvin Carvalho
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>                                        >>
>                                        >>
>                                        >> On 18 March 2013 19:44, Henry
>                         Story
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>                                        >> On 18 Mar 2013, at 18:08,
>                         Melvin Carvalho
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>                         <mailto:melvincarvalho@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>                                        >>
>                                        >>>
>                                        >>>
>                                        >>> On 17 March 2013 22:31, Henry
>                         Story
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>                         <mailto:henry.story@bblfish.net>>>> wrote:
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>                                        >>> On 17 Mar 2013, at 21:56,
>                         Melvin Carvalho
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>                         <mailto:melvincarvalho@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>                                        >>>
>                                        >>>> http://www.w3.org/ns/auth/cert
>                                        >>>>
>                                        >>>> "The modulus of an RSA
>                         public and private key. Or the
>                                  modulus
>                                       of a DSA Key."
>                                        >>>>
>                                        >>>> Yet there is no class for a
>                         DSA public key.
>                                        >>>>
>                                        >>>> It would be great if this
>                         could be added as I'm currently
>                                       looking into an integration
>                         between WebID and a payments
>                                  system that
>                                       uses DSA.
>                                        >>>
>                                        >>> Sounds like a good idea.
>                         Would be worth opening an
>                                  issue for.
>                                        >>>
>                                        >>> Thanks for the advice, Henry.
>                           I've opened an issue.
>                                        >>>
>                                        >>> Could we break down what
>                         needs to be done to get this
>                                  actioned,
>                                       are there any bottle necks?
>                                        >>
>                                        >> There is probably very little
>                         to do. One needs to look
>                                  at how
>                                       DSA keys can be described, write
>                         out those relations,
>                                  verify them,
>                                       and then add them to the ontology.
>                                        >>
>                                        >>
>                                        >> Ah good.
>                                        >>
>                                        >> Well as you know, RSA keys are
>                         described as follows:
>                                        >>
>                                        >> Private key description: (n,
>                         d) is the (modulus,
>                                  private key
>                                       exponent)
>                                        >> Public key description:  (n,
>                         e) is the (modulus, public key
>                                       exponent)
>                                        >>
>                                        >> In DSA as per:
>                                        >>
>                                        >> Private key description: (x,
>                         g, p, q) is the (private key,
>                                       generator, modulus, sub-group order)
>                                        >> Public key description: (y, g,
>                         p, q) is the (public key,
>                                       generator, modulus, sub-group order)
>                                        >>
>                                        >> Source:
>                         https://www.dlitz.net/____software/pycrypto/api/current/____Crypto.PublicKey.DSA.___DSAobj-__class.html
>                         <https://www.dlitz.net/__software/pycrypto/api/current/__Crypto.PublicKey.DSA._DSAobj-__class.html>
>
>                         <https://www.dlitz.net/__software/pycrypto/api/current/__Crypto.PublicKey.DSA._DSAobj-__class.html
>                         <https://www.dlitz.net/software/pycrypto/api/current/Crypto.PublicKey.DSA._DSAobj-class.html>>
>                                        >> Source:
>                         https://www.dlitz.net/____software/pycrypto/api/current/____Crypto.PublicKey.DSA-module.____html
>                         <https://www.dlitz.net/__software/pycrypto/api/current/__Crypto.PublicKey.DSA-module.__html>
>
>                         <https://www.dlitz.net/__software/pycrypto/api/current/__Crypto.PublicKey.DSA-module.__html
>                         <https://www.dlitz.net/software/pycrypto/api/current/Crypto.PublicKey.DSA-module.html>>
>                                        >>
>                                        >> So I think the naming is
>                         doable.  To start with what do you
>                                       think of the terms:
>                                        >>
>                                        >> g=generator
>                                        >> p=modulus
>                                        >> q=subGroupOrder
>                                        >>
>                                        >>
>                                        >>
>                                        >>
>                                        >>>
>                                        >>>
>                                        >>> Henry
>                                        >>>
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