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Re: WebID Integration Usecases with Semantic Web

From: Dileepa Jayakody <dileepajayakody@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:03:02 +0530
Message-ID: <CAOOwNC+AvPqTVSXCFX8-5kiRFM7ws9+ertY7xqqG10P2Y6bStA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>
Cc: Mo McRoberts <Mo.McRoberts@bbc.co.uk>, public-webid <public-webid@w3.org>
Thanks again Henry for clearing my doubts.


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>wrote:

>
> On 28 Apr 2013, at 22:53, Dileepa Jayakody <dileepajayakody@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Mo for the explanation.
> As you have mentioned, WebID's architecture is very similar to the
> inherent architecture of the web itself.
> WebID has been evolving since 2004/2005, but compared to OpenID, the
> adoption of WebID is not very high, if I may say.
>
>
> We discovered WebID-TLS in 2008
>
> http://lists.foaf-project.org/pipermail/foaf-protocols/2008-October/000000.html
>
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong. Is this due to constant changes in the
> WebID spec, or due to lack of fully-fledged implementations of WebID?
> Thoughts are welcome..
>
>
> Pretty few changes, and we're happy about that.
> There are a lot of libraries for WebID over TLS.
>
> WebID and Linked Data requires one to change one's thinking, a bit like
> Scala does. Iniitally
> we were under the illusion that people would do that themselves, and just
> lap on a new idea.
> That was a mistake.
>
>   But it turns out that this is an opportunity for people who get on board
> and do
> their best to build the tools now.
>
Agreed and looking forward to it :)

Thanks,
Dileepa

The others will be left in the dust later.
>
> Henry
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Dileepa
>
> On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Mo McRoberts <Mo.McRoberts@bbc.co.uk>wrote:
>
>>
>> On 28 Apr 2013, at 19:01, Dileepa Jayakody <dileepajayakody@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks a lot Melvin for your reply.
>> > I will further read about WebID docs to gather more knowledge.
>> > I took a look at myprofile project, created my own WebID :
>> https://my-profile.eu/people/dileepa/card#me  :)
>> >
>> > Another aspect I'm looking at is, how WebID differs from existing
>> identity technologies like OpenID. Is the fundamental difference, the
>> support for linked-data and the stateless nature of WebID?
>>
>> With WebID, the only thing you need a *server* to be able to do is serve
>> static resources (it can do more, but that's all it HAS to do). The smarts
>> are essentially a facet of the crypto itself (and the fact that a thing you
>> can prove you control connects to another thing you prove you control).
>> WebID is, in effect, as distributed and decentralised as the Web itself and
>> has a very low barrier to entry.
>>
>> With OpenID, you're creating an account on a service and pointing people
>> at that (possibly in a round-about way).
>>
>> M.
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Dileepa
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Melvin Carvalho <
>> melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 28 April 2013 13:21, Dileepa Jayakody <dileepajayakody@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > My Name is Dileepa Jayakody, a Sri Lankan research student interested
>> in semantic web, linked-data and digital identity concepts. I have been
>> learning about WebID for past few days and I'm most interested about
>> possibilities of WebID integration to provide a verified digital identity
>> solution across multiple domains (SNS, email, blogs etc).
>> >
>> > I'm interested in applying for Google Summer of Code (GSoC) this year
>> and there are 2 projects which were most interesting for me. Both are from
>> Apache Stanbol project which suits my research interests on semantic web.
>> > 1. Using Semantic Concepts in Federated Social Web : STANBOL-1009
>> > 2. Entity Disambiguation for Stanbol : STANBOL-1037
>> >
>> > Welcome, sounds great!
>> >
>> >
>> > For both use-cases I find WebID an excellent option.
>> > For use-case-1, WebID can be used for federated social-web as it
>> supports a user-profile with links to friend lists, photos etc, with
>> ability to control access to such resources over social-graph.
>> > For use-case-2 'Person' disambiguation can be tacked by developing a
>> disambiguation algorithm by using WebID as a verified digital identity.
>> >
>> > Stanbol uses Apache Clerezza as a RDF engine, and AFAIK Clerezza
>> supports WebID. However when I discussed with Stanbol guys on their
>> dev-list I got to know the WebID support is currently disabled due to
>> recent changes in WebID spec and changes in jaxrs architecture.
>> >
>> > I am sure Henry Story can help with this, he's done quite a bit of work
>> with Clerzza.
>> >
>> >
>> > I would very much like to know your suggestions and ideas on
>> integrating WebID for above use-cases. Further I would like your help in
>> understanding the architecture of WebID and how I can integrate it in
>> existing systems to provide a verified digital identity.
>> >
>> > WebID is split into two architectural concepts.  One is Identity, which
>> means using an HTTP URI to denote a Person.  The other is authentication,
>> so that a server can verify that identity.  Currently there's one
>> authentication spec which documents WebID over TLS, but more are possible.
>> >
>> > A project you may also want to look at is :
>> >
>> > http://myprofile-project.org/
>> >
>> >
>> > Looking forward to your ideas.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Dileepa
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Zone 1.08, BBC Scotland, 40 Pacific Quay, Glasgow G51 1DA,
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>> From: Mo McRoberts <Mo.McRoberts@bbc.co.uk>
>> To: Dileepa Jayakody <dileepajayakody@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>, public-webid <
>> public-webid@w3.org>
>> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 18:25:46 +0000
>> Subject: Re: WebID Integration Usecases with Semantic Web
>>
>> On 28 Apr 2013, at 19:01, Dileepa Jayakody <dileepajayakody@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Thanks a lot Melvin for your reply.
>> > I will further read about WebID docs to gather more knowledge.
>> > I took a look at myprofile project, created my own WebID :
>> https://my-profile.eu/people/dileepa/card#me  :)
>> >
>> > Another aspect I'm looking at is, how WebID differs from existing
>> identity technologies like OpenID. Is the fundamental difference, the
>> support for linked-data and the stateless nature of WebID?
>>
>> With WebID, the only thing you need a *server* to be able to do is serve
>> static resources (it can do more, but that's all it HAS to do). The smarts
>> are essentially a facet of the crypto itself (and the fact that a thing you
>> can prove you control connects to another thing you prove you control).
>> WebID is, in effect, as distributed and decentralised as the Web itself and
>> has a very low barrier to entry.
>>
>> With OpenID, you're creating an account on a service and pointing people
>> at that (possibly in a round-about way).
>>
>> M.
>>
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Dileepa
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Melvin Carvalho <
>> melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 28 April 2013 13:21, Dileepa Jayakody <dileepajayakody@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > My Name is Dileepa Jayakody, a Sri Lankan research student interested
>> in semantic web, linked-data and digital identity concepts. I have been
>> learning about WebID for past few days and I'm most interested about
>> possibilities of WebID integration to provide a verified digital identity
>> solution across multiple domains (SNS, email, blogs etc).
>> >
>> > I'm interested in applying for Google Summer of Code (GSoC) this year
>> and there are 2 projects which were most interesting for me. Both are from
>> Apache Stanbol project which suits my research interests on semantic web.
>> > 1. Using Semantic Concepts in Federated Social Web : STANBOL-1009
>> > 2. Entity Disambiguation for Stanbol : STANBOL-1037
>> >
>> > Welcome, sounds great!
>> >
>> >
>> > For both use-cases I find WebID an excellent option.
>> > For use-case-1, WebID can be used for federated social-web as it
>> supports a user-profile with links to friend lists, photos etc, with
>> ability to control access to such resources over social-graph.
>> > For use-case-2 'Person' disambiguation can be tacked by developing a
>> disambiguation algorithm by using WebID as a verified digital identity.
>> >
>> > Stanbol uses Apache Clerezza as a RDF engine, and AFAIK Clerezza
>> supports WebID. However when I discussed with Stanbol guys on their
>> dev-list I got to know the WebID support is currently disabled due to
>> recent changes in WebID spec and changes in jaxrs architecture.
>> >
>> > I am sure Henry Story can help with this, he's done quite a bit of work
>> with Clerzza.
>> >
>> >
>> > I would very much like to know your suggestions and ideas on
>> integrating WebID for above use-cases. Further I would like your help in
>> understanding the architecture of WebID and how I can integrate it in
>> existing systems to provide a verified digital identity.
>> >
>> > WebID is split into two architectural concepts.  One is Identity, which
>> means using an HTTP URI to denote a Person.  The other is authentication,
>> so that a server can verify that identity.  Currently there's one
>> authentication spec which documents WebID over TLS, but more are possible.
>> >
>> > A project you may also want to look at is :
>> >
>> > http://myprofile-project.org/
>> >
>> >
>> > Looking forward to your ideas.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Dileepa
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mo McRoberts - Analyst - BBC Archive Development,
>> Zone 1.08, BBC Scotland, 40 Pacific Quay, Glasgow G51 1DA,
>> MC3 D4, Media Centre, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TQ,
>> 0141 422 6036 (Internal: 01-26036) - PGP key CEBCF03E
>>
>>
>>
>
> Social Web Architect
> http://bblfish.net/
>
>
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