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Re: #URIs and redirections

From: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 00:26:29 +0100
Cc: Ted Thibodeau Jr <tthibodeau@openlinksw.com>, Jόrgen Jakobitsch <j.jakobitsch@semantic-web.at>, WebID Group <public-webid@w3.org>, nathan <nathan@webr3.org>
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To: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>

On 28 Nov 2012, at 23:59, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net> wrote:

> 
> On 28 Nov 2012, at 21:25, Ted Thibodeau Jr <tthibodeau@openlinksw.com> wrote:
> 
>> All --
>> 
>> A potentially interesting bit here, since one of the major
>> points of all this discussion is interoperability of tools
>> and the power of follow-your-nose...
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 24, 2012, at 05:52 AM, Henry Story wrote:
>> 
>>> - http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/knows
>>> - http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/mbox
>>> - http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Person
>>> - http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Agent
>> 
>> The above all look right in my Mail.app, and I can click any
>> of them and get redirected to <http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/>.
>> 
>> (
>> Tangentially, this redirection seems overly broad.  
>> 
>> Remembering that 303s can be applied to the document portion 
>> of a URI, but cannot take the fragment ID into account [while 
>> 303 *targets* *can* include a fragment ID.], I would expect 
>> the first URI above to redirect to either 
>> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#knows> or
>> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/knows> [which could then
>> redirect again to <http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#knows>] ...
>> and actually, I'd expect the generic /spec/ to redirect to
>> a specifically versioned target, not the other way around...
>> )
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> But the following, which Henry initially seemed to be 
>> suggesting as better (though his conclusion seems otherwise)?
>> 
>>> - http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/knows#•
>>> - http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/mbox#•
>>> - http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Person#•
>>> - http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Agent#•
>> 
>> These URIs don't look right in Mail.app.  
>> 
>> The URI highlighting stops at the last solidus ("/"), so 
>> they all look like links to the same page -- 
>> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/> -- and that is where clicking
>> them takes me. 
> 
> Does the following work better? I had perhaps wrongly used a unicode character
> right after the # .
> 
> - http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/knows#it
> - http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/mbox#it
> - http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Person#it
> - http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/Agent#it

Mhh. No they don't as each of them redirect to the
same URI it seems:

  http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#it

$ curl -I http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/knows
HTTP/1.1 303 See Other
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 23:23:34 GMT
Server: Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu)
Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *
Location: http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/
Vary: Accept-Encoding
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

That seems unfortunate.

> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> (I am then redirected to the same <http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/> 
>> as above -- but again, if the redirections were handled as 
>> I suggest above, this end result would be very wrong.)
>> 
>> Be seeing you,
>> 
>> Ted
>> 
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