Re: Interesting Identity & Privacy Presentation

On 11/8/12 12:16 PM, Markus Sabadello wrote:
> Kaliya has been running the semi-annual Internet Identity Workshop 
> <http://internetidentityworkshop.com/> for a long time.
> At each of these workshops, at least one person typically comes up 
> with a session titled "What is Identity" or similar.
> Also at each of these workshops, there are always LOTS of sessions on 
> (very diverse) technical approaches to "do identity" on the Internet.
> So over the years, Kaliya's been exposed to many different ways of 
> thinking about online identity, on the business, legal and technical 
> levels.
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> If you want to "drill down into the details" and "build systems that 
> have consistent behaviour", then that's valuable, but you immediately 
> commit yourself to certain assumptions which not everybody would agree 
> with.
> E.g. you may commit to a worldview that all online identity things are 
> best done with Linked Data and WebID, which is great, because it's so 
> tightly based on core web principles, and decentralized, and etc.
> But it's not the only way to do identity online, over the years there 
> have been so many different approaches.
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> So I believe Kaliya's intention behind this presentation was indeed to 
> remain on a high enough level to still say interesting things about 
> identity on the Internet, without making commitments to any specific 
> "this is how you do it".

Yes, in a nutshell. We have to establish high level concepts before 
elving into implementation details. Whenever aforementioned sequence 
back to front, we simply end up with yet another unintended and utterly 
distracting war around implementations details.

The concept of identity is just that, a concept. It transcends platforms.

Kingsley
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> Markus
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> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:13 AM, Melvin Carvalho 
> <melvincarvalho@gmail.com <mailto:melvincarvalho@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     On 7 November 2012 23:39, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com
>     <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote:
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>         On 11/7/12 5:19 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
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>>         On 7 November 2012 22:55, Kingsley Idehen
>>         <kidehen@openlinksw.com <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote:
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>>             All,
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>>             FYI:
>>             http://www.slideshare.net/Kaliya/identity-and-context-people-and-personal-data
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>>         Yes excellent presentation.
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>>         Still slightly difficult to nail down what is meant by identity.
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>         Identity is a moniker for nebulous entities like "You" :-)
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>         An identifier denotes an entity.
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>         A document can describe an identity via content (e.g., an RDF
>         graph pictorial) where attribute=value pairs coalesce around
>         the description subject's identifier i.e., what you see in a
>         FOAF based profile document.
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>     Sure, but what I meant that the presentation is well put together,
>     but high level stuff.  You need to drill down into the details to
>     build systems that have consistent behaviour, which was what I
>     found slightly missing from the slides.
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>         Kingsley
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