Minutes, Reykjavik f2f

Hello public-webfonts-wg,

 http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-webfonts-minutes.html

WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
13 Sep 2011

See also: IRC log
Attendees

Present
    davelab6, tal, sergeym, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, jfkthame_afk, Vlad, tab
Regrets
Chair
    Vlad
Scribe
    davelab6

Contents

    Topics
        ua conformance testsuite
        file format tests
        generator tools
        tpac
    Summary of Action Items

<trackbot> Date: 13 September 2011

<scribe> scribe: davelab6

<scribe> scribenick: davelab6

how to scribe pls? :)

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<ChrisL> scribenick: davelab6
ua conformance testsuite

Vlad: We're going to tabk about the Conformance Test Suite

<ChrisL> chris displays http://w3c-test.org/framework/review/woff-ua/

<ChrisL> blocks extraneous* failsin all browsers

<ChrisL> blocksoverlap tests fail inmostbrowsers

<ChrisL> metadata tests give free pass to implementationsthat dont displaymetadata

<ChrisL> (seeemail fron jfkthame)

ChrisL: If the extended metadata block is ignored, then the tests pass, but if displaying it to users is implemented but not correctly, it will fail, which incentivises UA developers to not implement showing metadata to users. So we'd like to change this so that implementing this optional part is incentivised.

Vlad: Also change the colors so that red means 'no test' (ie, no implementation), yellow means 'test fails' and green is 'test passes'

<ChrisL> resolved: change metadata tests so only implementationsthatdisplay metadata are tested

<ChrisL> ACTION: chris to fix metadata* results for free passes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-webfonts-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-103 - Fix metadata* results for free passes [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-09-20].

<ChrisL> ACTION:tab to update test suite for metadata tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-webfonts-minutes.html#action02]

<ChrisL> we should pressure implementors to fix code for the overlapping blocks

cslye: UA should ignore the data, and if they read it likely to fail other tests

ChrisL: should we keep spec as it is and ask implementors to fix, or change spec?

cslye: in 2 years we dont want a security advisory out about this

vlad: not sure if this could be a real security risk?

tab: if directory is set incorrectly, is that our concern? sfnt table size could be 4 bytes larger than it is...

vlad: you'd try to get extra data inside a table so its loaded, not insert data between tables

<ChrisL> header-totabSfntSize* are failing in some browsers but we have enough passes for CR. Webkit has a pass (Chrome) and a fail (Safari) due to the googlesanitiser,we suspect

tab: we should put a metadata display into the validator as an option

<ChrisL> (tab checks whetherW3C Unicorn validation framework canoutput purely informative material - yes)

<ChrisL> ACTION: chris to check on unicorn integration of the woff validator [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-webfonts-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-104 - Check on unicorn integration of the woff validator [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-09-20].

chris: this will allow people to submit a WOFF and get it validated, and as part of the validation report the user can have it display the optional metadata
... break for lunch, and try and find tab :)

<ChrisL> ACTION: tab to check whether Chromeexposesan API to extendsions that shows the specific font in use [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-webfonts-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-105 - Check whether Chromeexposesan API to extendsions that shows the specific font in use [on Tab Atkins Jr. - due 2011-09-20].
file format tests

<ChrisL> vlad:once unicorn has the validator we will be in good tshape there

<ChrisL> tal:and add the metadata too; need to check if info not related to validity is ok

<ChrisL> scribenick: ChrisL
generator tools

ChrisL: we have jfkthame script and fontforge, what else

Vlad: tests need to be entered manualy

ChrisL: yes
... is fontsquirrelusing their own implementation? (we don'tknow)

tal: wecan test mywoff toolsas well

cslye: does the fontlab beta export woff now?

tal: this is not a listed feature in their betas

(digression on epar)

http://www.eeulaa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22&Itemid=34

ChrisL: online font converter http://onlinefontconverter.com/

<davelab6> scribenick davelab6

<davelab6> ChrisL: onlinefontconverter.com has a WOFF converter, we will test it now

<davelab6> davelab6: stefan.warting@gmail.com is the email in the whois

ok so it seems to convert sfnt to woff (incliding the invalid ones)

cslye: interesting to ask typekit and extensis webink what they are usiing

tal;and other services

davelab6: phil taylor did sometools in perl

<scribe> ACTION:chris to run authoring tools against the uatests and make report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-webfonts-minutes.html#action05]

<scribe> ACTION: chris to run authoring tools against the uatests and make report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-webfonts-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-106 - Run authoring tools against the uatests and make report [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-09-20].

Vlad: can we talk to the author of the online converter and get them to fix bugs?

ChrisL: i can ask

<davelab6> ChrisL: so we've done a lot today, we have plans to move forward and actions assigned to peopl
tpac

<davelab6> Vlad: agreed, i wonder about a TPAC meeting, would be good to move forward. tab, will you be there?

<davelab6> tab: yes

<davelab6> vlad: the same origin restriction, it will being web fonts and web apps (?) groups together

<davelab6> tab: where will it be?

<davelab6> ChrisL: bay area

<davelab6> cSlye: ill be there

<davelab6> Vlad: early bird discount

http://www.w3.org/2011/11/TPAC/

14 October - Registration Closes and Registration fee goes up

(adjourned)
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: chris to check on unicorn integration of the woff validator [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-webfonts-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: chris to fix metadata* results for free passes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-webfonts-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: chris to run authoring tools against the uatests and make report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-webfonts-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: chris to run authoring tools against the uatests and make report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-webfonts-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: tab to check whether Chromeexposesan API to extendsions that shows the specific font in use [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-webfonts-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: tab to update test suite for metadata tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-webfonts-minutes.html#action02]
 
[End of minutes]

-- 
 Chris Lilley   Technical Director, Interaction Domain                 
 W3C Graphics Activity Lead, Fonts Activity Lead
 Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
 Member, CSS, WebFonts, SVG Working Groups

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