- From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 22:52:05 +0100
- To: 3668 FONT <public-webfonts-wg@w3.org>
Hello,
Minutes of todays call in html
http://www.w3.org/2011/02/09-webfonts-minutes.html
and text
WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
09 Feb 2011
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2011/02/09-webfonts-irc
Attendees
Present
Vlad, Erik, Jonathan, Chris, Christopher, Sergey, Tal,
sylvain
Regrets
Chair
Vlad
Scribe
ChrisL
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Action Items
2. [5]file format tests
3. [6]same origin restriction
4. [7]next calls
* [8]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 09 February 2011
uh-oh, Zakim is confused
<jfkthame> "this conference is restricted at this time" ?
zakim thinks our booking is at the later time, 10pm france not 4pm
france
[9]http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#D20110209
[9] http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#D20110209
ok, zakim is not confused. the agenda was confused about which week
this is
<jfkthame> aha
<jfkthame> ok, ttyl i guess!
last week was the earlier time, but last week was also cancelled
Vlad, see you in a few hours, then?
<Vlad> Why is this happening?
because this is a late week not an early week
<Vlad> It shoes that our previous call (last week) has also been
scheduled at 10 pm France
<Vlad> Did we loose our altenate time schedule?
no
For 2 Feb I see
15: 00-16:00Z
IA_Fonts
and for today I see
21: 00-22:00Z
IA_Fonts
<Vlad> So, if Feb. 02 hae been 10 pm, ths week shoudl be 4 pm CET,
right?
<sylvaing> my calendar is definitely on for 7am PST
<jfkthame> for 2 feb i see both times
[10]http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#D2011020
9
[10] http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#D20110209
ah. yes, so do I
<jfkthame> also both times for 16 feb and 23 feb
<sylvaing> this is like some kind of quantum scheduling
<sylvaing> meeting is in both states at the same time
<jfkthame> or perhaps neither?
<sylvaing> yes
<jfkthame> it's a heisenmeeting
I will need to talk to the admin staff to see what is happening
<sylvaing> (insert Twilight Zone music)
<sylvaing> (..and witty comment on the need for same-origin meeting
time)
<Vlad> So, what do we do for today? Do we reschedule for later or
cancel until next week?
I suggest reschedule for later
<sylvaing> but then what is meeting time next week ?
<Vlad> Okay, I will send a notice to WG list
looking at the calendar over a longer period, it looks as if the
later call has been scheduled weekly (despite what the booking says)
and the earlier call every two weeks
I willtalk to the admin staff and get it sorted out
<sylvaing> all right. so talk again in 6 hours today ?
yup
in my personal calendar today was an early week, and it was set like
that months ago
<sylvaing> same here
<Vlad> I just sent a msg to the WG list announcing the change for
today, hope you guys can make it.
<Vlad> Check the email
trackbot, start telcon
<trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
<trackbot> Date: 09 February 2011
oh yes it has, Zakim
<jfkthame> is zakim not paying attention to the phone today?
actions at [11]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/open
[11] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/open
<scribe> ScribeNick: ChrisL
Action Items
action-29?
<trackbot> ACTION-29 -- John Hudson to review woff faq with chris
and vlad -- due 2010-10-06 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/29
[12] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/29
Vlad: John sent in some good text, i made some comments
ChrisL: plan to add the text that John sent in, we can always
further revise later
close action-29
<trackbot> ACTION-29 Review woff faq with chris and vlad closed
<scribe> ACTION: chris to edit WOFF faq with Johns text
incorporating Vlad's corrections [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2011/02/09-webfonts-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Edit WOFF faq with Johns text
incorporating Vlad's corrections [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-02-16].
action-48?
<trackbot> ACTION-48 -- Tal Leming to create UA test for bad
metadata -- due 2010-11-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/48
[14] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/48
close action-48
<trackbot> ACTION-48 Create UA test for bad metadata closed
close action-49
<trackbot> ACTION-49 Update UA test plan to include new "fringe"
tests. closed
close action-50
<trackbot> ACTION-50 Update font format test plan to include new
"fringe" tests. closed
Tal: I did those
action-52?
<trackbot> ACTION-52 -- Chris Lilley to respond to erik muller on
pronunciation and sorting -- due 2010-12-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/52
[15] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/52
ChrisL: not done yet
action-57?
<trackbot> ACTION-57 -- Jonathan Kew to respons on issue-14 -- due
2011-01-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/57
[16] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/57
jfkthame: still working on that one
Vlad: direction attributes inside element. But issue is text in
attributes
... so our conclusion was that font vendor names don't need directin
attributes anyway
jfkthame: direction applies to the attribute, the only thing you
can't do ia add markup in attributes. We agreed to add direction to
all elements
Vlad: and direction can be based on Unicode rules, for simple text
... Chris and Richard discussed but there was no conclusion
ChrisL: need to propose a solution to Richard and see what he says
action-58?
<trackbot> ACTION-58 -- Tal Leming to revise test cases to allow
multiple credit elements -- due 2011-01-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/58
[17] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/58
action-59?
<trackbot> ACTION-59 -- Chris Lilley to respond to I18n-ISSUE-2 --
due 2011-01-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [18]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/59
[18] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/59
Chris: that one is easy, will do soon
action-60>
action-61?
<trackbot> ACTION-61 -- Chris Lilley to provide samples and respond
to I18n -- due 2011-01-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/61
[19] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/61
ChrisL: ok so this is the div and span one
... 62 is waiting for action-61
action-64?
<trackbot> ACTION-64 -- Jonathan Kew to remove normative statements
from introduction to new section 'General Requirements' -- due
2011-01-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/64
[20] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/64
jfkthame: done today
close action-64
<trackbot> ACTION-64 Remove normative statements from introduction
to new section 'General Requirements' closed
[21]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/webfonts/WOFF/spec/Overview.html
[21] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/webfonts/WOFF/spec/Overview.html
close action-64
<trackbot> ACTION-64 Remove normative statements from introduction
to new section 'General Requirements' closed
close action-66
<trackbot> ACTION-66 Edit spec 'this element may be localised'
replaced 'this element may be localised using text child element'
closed
close action-67
<trackbot> ACTION-67 Edit section 6, past paragraph: 'at least one
text sub element' replaced by 'at least one text child element'.
closed
close action-68
<trackbot> ACTION-68 General replacement: 'sub elements' to 'child
elements' closed
close action-70
<trackbot> ACTION-70 Replace last sentence of section 7: End of
Private Data block must correspond with the end of the last file.
closed
close action-71
<trackbot> ACTION-71 Clarify Bert Bos' Point 4 closed
close action-72
<trackbot> ACTION-72 Respond to Bert Bos' Point 5. closed
ChrisL: still need to update disposition of comments document for
these emails
... szilles accepted the comments that were sent
action chrisl to update disposition of comments
<trackbot> Created ACTION-74 - Update disposition of comments [on
Chris Lilley - due 2011-02-16].
file format tests
tal: blanket 'is file valid' is not very good for debugging. many
reasons for invalidity
... looking for a machine readable fault report
... to be linked to
... other than that, these are straightforward
... will work on authoring tool tests next. Not clear on best
structure
... can give sfnt, xml and private then validate the output
... lots of things the spec says about padding, but rhe compression
variability makes it hard to ensure they do the right thing
Vlad: we should review the format tests
tal: yes, though after spec updates are done
ChrisL: (explains last call exit and cr entrance policy in process)
same origin restriction
Vlad: we don't have an official comment but we do have two
implementors who say they won't implement
... so is this a last call comment or not
... better to sort it out before entering CR
ChrisL: agreed
Vlad: other opinions?
... Hakon made a proposal in email
cslye: agree with Vlad, need a more pointed discussion. currently we
have implementors saying they will ignore it if its in the spec
... process is to get consensus first. we should resolve it
Vlad: so we have IE9 and Frefox who implemented it and Chrome may
(Tab is not against)
sylvain: lets see when they check it in
... need to split the mechanics from whether its a requirement or
not
... do we feel some form of SOR is required or not
... several ways to solve it
Vlad: yes we need to solve this and get it behind us
cslye: dave singer said he would get back to us
Vlad: Maciej joined the WG recently, so its good to see further
active participation from Apple
sylvaing: opera have not closed the door, they made a counter
prooposal and are still talking
Vlad: (checks charter for specific mentionof SOR)
sylvaing: IE9 will ship with current solution, so even if we change
later we have that to deal with
"This specification will reference the font formats in existing use
(OpenType, WOFF, SVG, and EOT), the font referencing and linking
specifications (in both CSS and XML serialisations), access policies
such as same-origin and CORS, and define which linking mechanisms,
policies and formats are required for compliance."
sylvaing: we also depend on CORS which is not a Rec. Even worse if
we depend on a new thing not even FPWD yet
ChrisL: gan go to PR then holding pattern for Rec.
... or put conformance in a separate spec
sylvaing: not want the format to be held back
Vlad: sooner the better
next calls
ChrisL: Zakim booking is correct again, same pattern as previously
Vlad: next telcon will be dedicated to the CORs/SOR issue
... some regrets in March due to travel
ChrisL: same for me first week of March
<cslye> I can't do Mar 2 either, FWIW.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: chris to edit WOFF faq with Johns text incorporating
Vlad's corrections [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2011/02/09-webfonts-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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Chris Lilley Technical Director, Interaction Domain
W3C Graphics Activity Lead, Fonts Activity Lead
Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
Member, CSS, WebFonts, SVG Working Groups
Received on Wednesday, 9 February 2011 21:55:09 UTC