- From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
- Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 12:14:56 -0400
- To: "public-webevents@w3.org" <public-webevents@w3.org>
The draft minutes from the June 12 voice conference are available at the
following and copied below:
http://www.w3.org/2012/06/12-webevents-minutes.html
WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send
them to the public-webevents mail list before June 19. In the absence of
any changes, these minutes will be considered approved.
-Thanks, AB
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Web Events WG Voice Conference
12 Jun 2012
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2012AprJun/0008.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2012/06/12-webevents-irc
Attendees
Present
Art_Barstow, Cathy_Chan, Doug_Schepers, Scott_Gonzαlez,
Rick_Byers, Sangwhan_Moon, Matt_Brubeck
Regrets
Chair
Art
Scribe
Art
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Tweak Agenda
2. [6]Announcements
3. [7]Update on Touch Events PAG
4. [8]Status of IndieUI Task Force
5. [9]AoB
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
<scribe> Scribe: Art
Date: 12 June 2012
Tweak Agenda
AB: I posted a draft agenda yesterday
[11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2012Ap
rJun/0008.html. Any change requests?
[11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2012AprJun/0008.html.
Announcements
AB: any short announcements for today? The only one I had is
that the IndieUI WG has finally started
[12]http://www.w3.org/2012/05/indie-ui-charter and we will talk
about its Task Force with WebEvents WG during today's meeting.
... any other announcements?
[12] http://www.w3.org/2012/05/indie-ui-charter
RB: I work for Google
lead a team here
one item is adding touch to Chrome
and want to do it in a standard way
would be best if the TE spec was already a Recommendation
would like to add semantics on top of the Touch API
AB: thanks Rick and welcome to the group
Update on Touch Events PAG
AB: The Touch Events PAG
[13]http://www.w3.org/2012/01/touch-pag-charter had a call last
week for the first time since April
[14]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-te-pag/.
... the set of disclosures
[15]http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/45559/status#current-disc
losures is one patent and five patent applications, all from
Apple.
... the PAG's discussions are all Member confidential.
[13] http://www.w3.org/2012/01/touch-pag-charter
[14] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-te-pag/.
[15] http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/45559/status#current-disclosures
DS: WGs do not discuss specific patents
and we will not do so today
PAGs, however, are the right place to discuss patents
PAGs look at the disclosed patents and/or patent applications
and ultimately, the PAG makes a recommendation to the WG on
what to do next
Among the possible recommendations are: proceed with the spec
as is, change the spec, stop the work, etc.
[ Art and Doug summarized the Member-confidential discussions
of the PAG
]
<sangwhan>
[16]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7479257/pointevents_strawman.txt
[16] https://dl.dropbox.com/u/7479257/pointevents_strawman.txt
Status of IndieUI Task Force
AB: as previously announced (
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2012Ap
rJun/0001.html), the IndieUI Task Force (TF)
[18]http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/IUITF had its first call on
June 6 [19]http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html.
... the IndieUI WG is under the Web Accessibility Initiative
(WAI). AFAIU, it is the first WG within WAI to do its technical
work in Public.
... as described in the IndieUI WG's charter
[20]http://www.w3.org/2012/05/indie-ui-charter#deliverables, a
joint WG TF is used to make provide flexibility for Members
that may have some IP/patents in this area.
... anyone in the WebEvents WG may participate in this TF but
you have to ask Doug to register you. I agreed to do some
"recruiting" within this WG so please consider joining this TF
and telling other people about it. I think the work is going to
be very interesting and useful.
... the TF will work on two specs: 1) IndieUI User Events; 2)
IndieUI User Context. Based on discussion during the TF's June
6 call, my expectation is that at least Apple will provide
input(s) for the User Events spec and that at least IBM will
provide inputs for the User Context.
... any questions, comments, concerns, etc. re this TF?
... I want to push the TF to make Calls for Input for the 2
specs
... any questions, comments, concerns, etc. re this TF?
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2012AprJun/0001.html)
[18] http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/IUITF
[19] http://www.w3.org/2012/06/06-indie-ui-minutes.html.
[20] http://www.w3.org/2012/05/indie-ui-charter#deliverables
SM: I don't think there are enough browser vendors
participating
DS: yes, I can understand that concern
but Apple is of course a browser vendor
I think people familiar with API design and implementation
would be welcome in the TF
RB: I am interested
but not sure on the time commitment
A11Y is important to us
If can do something like "capture the semantics of zooming"
then I'd be very interested
and could help get an implementation into Webkit and Chrome
Gestures like rotate are important too
We need standards for this
AB: I think Doug and I have an ongoing action to keep the
WebEvents WG up to date on the status of the TF
RB: theres' a lot of stuff that could be done in this area
so some prioritization work needs to be done
AB: agree
and I think the TF already had some discusssion about the
need for UCs and Requirements
DS: good point
it needs to get on the agenda for a TF call
as that will help with the prioritization
We will get to UCs and Reqs in an upcoming TF meeting
AB: yes, that's an important task for Doug and I to push
Sangwhan, I agree with the concern about browser vendors
DS: remember, one can join the TF and lurk
Since there are Joint deliverables, if IndieUI specs are
important, it makes sense to join the TF
RB: thanks for the feedback on the participation
I was concerned about overcommitment
DS: I don't think that will be a problem
Do you agree Art?
AB: yes
RB: I was concerned about the Good Standing requirement
DS: I will push back about the GS requirement
AB: I have already pushed back about the GS requirement
<mbrubeck1> Also, if you are going to miss a telcon (or have
just missed one) you can send regrets by email instead.
AB: do you know Matt if Mozilla is interested in IndieUI?
MB: yes, there is interest
DS: we would love to have implementers involved
AB: +1 to what Doug said
CC: is Microsoft a member of the IndieUI WG?
AB: no, not at the moment
AoB
AB: then next call will be when there is a need for a meeting
... anything else for today?
RB: has there been discussion about what a browser should do to
emulate a touch?
MB: we talked about that a little
there is a little non-normative info about that
and deliberately vague until implementers can give us
something more concrete to say
RB: I don't think we have enough data either
but will be difficult to write apps to handle mouse and touch
events
MB: we do have some info in the spec about the start and stop
events
RB: we have some apps that break when touch and mouse events
are used together
RIM uses a meta tag to help with this problem
SM: think moving to a unified event model makes sense
SG: agree we need to move to a unified event model
DS: yes, moving to something like Msft's pointer model may be
good
or to see what Sangwhan has specified
RB: so, it's good to see this is in scope for the WebEvents WG
DS: good to have more implementers
MB: yes, and getting someone from Android browser would be good
too
RB: I can try to find the right person
SM: if anyone has comments on my proposal or the Msft pointer
model, that would be great
... fyi, Anders_Hφckersten left Opera
AB: meeting adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
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