- From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
- Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 12:07:56 -0400
- To: "public-webevents@w3.org" <public-webevents@w3.org>
The draft minutes from the June 7 voice conference are available at the following and copied below: http://www.w3.org/2011/06/07-webevents-minutes.html WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send them to the public-webevents mail list before June 14 (the next voice conference); otherwise these minutes will be considered Approved as is. -Art Barstow [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Web Events WG Voice Conference 07 Jun 2011 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/0115.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/07-webevents-irc Attendees Present Art_Barstow, Matt_Brubeck, Cathy_Chan, Laszlo_Gombos, Doug_Schepers, Olli_Pettay, Sangwhan_Moon Regrets Chair Art Scribe Art Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Tweak Agenda 2. [6]Announcements 3. [7]Issue-6 (Open) Touch targets in frames 4. [8]Issue-17 (Raised) Page X and Y parameters to createTouch 5. [9]Issue-3 (Raised) Click event target after DOM mutation during touchstart 6. [10]Issue-16 (Raised) Should the spec be silent or prescriptive re Object Identity 7. [11]Status of Intentional Events Spec 8. [12]AOB * [13]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB <scribe> Scribe: Art Date: 7 June 2011 aabb is Art_Barstow aacc is Matt_Brubeck <smaug> I'll re-call Tweak Agenda AB: the agenda ( [14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/ 0115.html ) was posted yesterday and it proposes continuing the topics from the last meeting on May 24 ( [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/ 0112.html ). ... I'd like to move Issue-17 after Issue-6. ... the last topic about "specifying behavior for devices with touch hardware" is really about the status of the Intensional Event spec. ... any other change requests? [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/0115.html [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/0112.html Announcements AB: any short announcements? ... here's something that people may want to read/scan: [16]http://io9.com/5808604/10-physical-gestures-that-have-been-paten ted [16] http://io9.com/5808604/10-physical-gestures-that-have-been-patented Issue-6 (Open) Touch targets in frames AB: yesterday Matt submitted a proposal for Issue-6 ( [17]http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/6 ). Any comments on Matt's proposal ( [18]http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/rev/29ec4253b862 )? ... thanks Matt! Note June 9 is the deadline for comments. [17] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/6 [18] http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/rev/29ec4253b862 MB: I didn't think I needed to go too deep ... I didn't talk about levels of nesting ... "child browsing context" is from the HTML5 spec ... I don't know if that term is used elsewhere DS: HTML5 is the first place to define that MB: I should add a reference to HTML5 ... is that OK re spec maturity? DS: an Informative is fine ... a Normative reference requires a certain level of stability ... We are running into this problem in other areas AB: my recommendation is to do-the-right-thing i.e. if the reference should be Normative then make it Normative ... and as Doug said, the Staff is trying to determine a way forward for other specs MB: the definition is within Normative spec DS: let's assume we can solve this so make it Normative reference ... and if we have a problem down the road, we will do something different AB: if anyone has any comments on Matt's proposal, please send them to the list by June 9 Issue-17 (Raised) Page X and Y parameters to createTouch AB: yesterday Matt submitted a proposal for Issue-17 ( [19]http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/17 ). Any comments on Matt's proposal ( [20]http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/rev/53491ff3514b )? ... thanks Matt! June 9 is the deadline for comments. [19] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/17 [20] http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webevents/rev/53491ff3514b MB: I am particuarly interested in feedback from Olli ... since it is based on his work ... In Gecko, we take all 3 parameters ... Can't leave out Page 'x and y' ... No real advantage to specifying clientS and clientY rather than computing them ... Think this will give more consistency OP: I am fine with this change LG: so Webkit does not include clientX and clientY ... I need to make sure Webkit didn't change <mbrubeck> As far as I know, WebKit includes clientX/clientY in the Touch interface, but not in the parameters to document.createTouch. LG: I need to check Webkit vis-à-vis Matt's latest change <lgombos> [21]http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/WebCore/WebCore-658.28/do m/TouchEvent.idl [21] http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/WebCore/WebCore-658.28/dom/TouchEvent.idl OP: Webkit is apparently inconsistent here ... createTouch takes pageXandY and screenXandY ... We can do what Webkit does ... It's a bit ugly but compatible <smaug> [22]http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Source/WebCore/dom/Document .cpp#L5032 vs [23]http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Source/WebCore/dom/TouchEve nt.cpp#L55 [22] http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Source/WebCore/dom/Document.cpp#L5032 [23] http://trac.webkit.org/browser/trunk/Source/WebCore/dom/TouchEvent.cpp#L55 MB: initTouchEvent in TouchEvents spec is not compatible with WebKit initTouchEvent LG: there a couple of issues ... one is to review the changes Matt proposed ... and the other is the differences in the initTouchEvents AB: so, we should leave this open until we get more feedback from at least Laszlo ... when can you give us some feedback Laszlo? LG: I will try to get the feedback this week AB: anything else on Issue-17 for today? Issue-3 (Raised) Click event target after DOM mutation during touchstart AB: Issue-3 ( [24]http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/3 ) is in the raised state. Doug has related Action-23 ( [25]http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/23 ). We last discussed this on May 24 ( [26]http://www.w3.org/2011/05/24-webevents-minutes.html#item04 ) [24] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/3 [25] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/23 [26] http://www.w3.org/2011/05/24-webevents-minutes.html#item04 DS: I haven't been able to work on this; sorry about that ... I will try to get something out this week OP: the click should be dispatched since it happens after the touch events ... I think we had agreement click should be dispatched DS: if there is general agreement among the impls, we should use that AB: so what does that mean in terms of what needs to be specified? <sangwhan> [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/ 0082.html [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/0082.html AB: i.e. what change(s) need to be made in the spec? DS: if Olli wants to make a proposal, I am fine with that OP: yes, I can make a proposal <scribe> ACTION: olli make a proposal for Issue-3 based on current implementations [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/07-webevents-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-51 - Make a proposal for Issue-3 based on current implementations [on Olli Pettay - due 2011-06-14]. Issue-16 (Raised) Should the spec be silent or prescriptive re Object Identity AB: Issue-16 ( [29]http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/16 ) is in the raised state. Laszlo has related Action-46 ( [30]http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/46 ). We last discussed this on May 24 ( [31]http://www.w3.org/2011/05/24-webevents-minutes.html#item05 ) [29] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/issues/16 [30] http://www.w3.org/2010/webevents/track/actions/46 [31] http://www.w3.org/2011/05/24-webevents-minutes.html#item05 LG: [32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/ 0121.html ... I don't think objects should have persistence ... Recommend people read the link in my email ... PPK had a related blog ... Assuming events perisist probably is not a good idea [32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/0121.html <smaug> [33]http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/58323/trunk/WebCore/page/EventH andler.cpp. doesn't seem to work [33] http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/58323/trunk/WebCore/page/EventHandler.cpp. LG: I consider my action as done <mbrubeck> smaug: Remove the final . <mbrubeck> ".", that is LG: and we can discuss it <smaug> ah AB: from a process perspective, yes I will close Action-46 DS: I need to read this AB: any other comments on Issue-16? ... the homework is for people to read Laszlo's e-mail Status of Intentional Events Spec AB: on May 24, we talked ( [34]http://www.w3.org/2011/05/24-webevents-minutes.html#item07) about the thread Gregers Gram Rygg started on May 12 ( [35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/ 0098.html ) re "Proposal to specify behavior for terminals without touch hardware". ... that discussion lead to a discussion about the Intentional Events spec where some preliminary work has been done by WAI's Protocols and Formats WG ( [36]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2010JulSep/att-0106/ UserInterfaceIndependence.html ), namely Apple's James Craig. ... James indicated (off-list) he hopes to have an Editor's Draft type doc to share in June. [34] http://www.w3.org/2011/05/24-webevents-minutes.html#item07) [35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webevents/2011AprJun/0098.html [36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2010JulSep/att-0106/UserInterfaceIndependence.html DS: I don't have any additional status AB: ongoing action for Doug and I to keep up with James' work AOB AB: regarding the next call ... it appears we still have open, discussions for Issues 3, 16 and 17 ... I would prefer to have more calls in June and less in July and August ... any objections to a call on June 13? ... next call is June 14 ... please follow-up on Issues 3, 16 and 17 on the list ... meeting adjourned Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: olli make a proposal for Issue-3 based on current implementations [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/07-webevents-minutes.html#action01] [End of minutes]
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