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Re: Complexity

From: Brian Kardell <bkardell@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2023 13:15:39 -0500
Message-ID: <CADC=+jfWZxUCerH3hMnrx6T9xE5zNTngapVouKvbmREiC=uaGA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
Cc: public-webdx@w3.org
I had been trying to take a beat before replying to this because I feel
like since it was published I've been trying to say "don't do that" and I
know it always feels defensive and icky to try to point to the ever growing
list of ways I've tried to remedy the problem that you're describing.  I'm
replying because this morning Hixie posted a thing which seems relevant to
this that seems to want to go even deeper in that

On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 8:41 AM Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>

> One of the most influential design patterns in the development of Web
> technologies in the past decade has been captured in the Extensible Web
> Manifesto:
>    https://extensiblewebmanifesto.org/
> Key elements of that manifesto include:
> * Focus on adding new low-level capabilities to the web platform
> * allow web developers to iterate on [high-level features in Javascript]
> before they become standardized.
> My sense is that the first item has been extremely successful, but the
> latter not nearly as much - while there has been a good amount of
> iteration on JS-based high-level wrappers to these low level features,
> it's not obvious a lot of the outcomes of this iteration has found a
> path back to standardization.
> While this may be a sign that it's not needed, a message I've heard
> repeatedly over recent years (and one that might be worth backing with
> actual research rather than anecdotes) is that developing for the Web
> has become harder and harder, moving in the realm of "engineering" and
> complex toolchain to the detriment of being a platform usable by a wide
> range of makers.
> It feels to me that an effort looking at the complexity of the platform
> and its impact on the developer experience would probably be
> informative; we would naturally want to start by understanding whether
> and how much of an issue it is, before discussing what approaches would
> help improve the situation.
> Dom

Brian Kardell :: @briankardell :: bkardell.com
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