- From: GALINDO Virginie <Virginie.GALINDO@gemalto.com>
- Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 15:41:35 +0200
- To: "public-webcrypto@w3.org" <public-webcrypto@w3.org>
- CC: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org>, Wendy Seltzer <wseltzer@w3.org>
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Hi all, Let me share with you my understanding of the situation about the non-extractability attribute consistency in case of wrap/unwrap/import/export : - We have a request to maintain non-extractability consistency over the API, including in the wrap/unwrap/import/export, with a clear balance on not having the javascript seeing the key material - We have a possible technical solution which addresses the JWK case http://www.w3.org/2012/webcrypto/wiki/KeyWrap_Notes_July - We have in our scope other formats (aka raw and pkcs8/spki format) which may require a global mechanism - several principles discussed in the thread below but no technical description at the moment - We had a request from Microsoft and Netflix to progress on that matter as soon as possible (see previous minutes meeting) - We do not have any description of the import/export methods at the moment in our specification https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webcrypto-api/raw-file/tip/spec/Overview.html#SubtleCrypto-method-importKey As a WG we need to decide next path to progress. I see several options : - Option 1 : integrate something that we have on the table now (JWK only solution), and build a solution for the other formats based on contributions of participants - Option 2 : decide we want to go for a broader scope addressing all our formats in a single solution I'd be interested to have the views from WG participants on their preferred choice, or any other option you would like to submit to the WG. Thanks for helping the discussion to progress. Regards, Virginie chair of web crypto wg From: Mark Watson [mailto:watsonm@netflix.com] Sent: vendredi 19 juillet 2013 04:30 To: Ryan Sleevi Cc: Harry Halpin; GALINDO Virginie; public-webcrypto@w3.org Subject: Re: Key wrap/unwrap/import/export open issue On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Ryan Sleevi <sleevi@google.com<mailto:sleevi@google.com>> wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Mark Watson <watsonm@netflix.com<mailto:watsonm@netflix.com>> wrote: > Returning to the subject of the original post, and to start off the > discussion. > > Ryan has mentioned two other possibilities for solving this problem, so I'd > like to take a moment to describe my understanding of those. > > (1) Implicit unwrap semantics in pre-provisioned keys > > A pre-provisioned key with usage unwrap could be imbued with behaviors that > dictate the extractable and usage attributes of keys that it unwraps or even > that imbue the unwrapped keys with other such properties. The former would > be sufficient for "single step" key wrapping, where the final key to be used > for encryption, decryption, signature or signature verification is wrapped > directly with the pre-provisioned key. The special property of the > pre-provisioned key ensures that the final key has extractable = false. > > If you want to have two steps, for example the key you are transferring is > encrypted using a temporary Content Encryption Key (as in JWE) and then this > CEK is wrapped using the pre-provisioned key, then you not only need the > pre-provisioned key to force extractable = false and usage = unwrap on the > CEK, but it must also transfer a special property to the CEK, so that when > this in turn is used for unwrapping the resultant key always has extractable > = false. Correct. The "Named Pre-provisioned keys" is already imbued with special properties by definition, so this is consistent. JWK is not unique in this 'two step' form - consider multi-party RSA-KEM - you have the RSA key, the derived per-party KEK, and the shared, protected key. > > (2) Explicit attributes on wrapping keys > > A key with usage "unwrap" also has properties which dictate the attributes > of keys that it unwraps. Let's call these properties "unwrap-extractable" > and "unwrap-usages". Whenever a key, W, is used to perform an unwrap > operation, the unwrapped key, K, gets it's attributes set as follows: > > K.extractable = W.unwrap-extractable > K.usages = W.unwrap-usages > > Again, this is sufficient for single-step unwrapping. When the wrapping key > W is generated, the unwrap-extractable and unwrap-usages properties are set > to 'false' and the intended usages of the expected wrapped key, > respectively, When it comes to unwrapping the unwrapped key, K, gets the > appropriate properties. Correct. This matches PKCS#11's CKA_WRAP_TEMPLATE and CKA_UNWRAP_TEMPLATE properties, for which the smart card and secure element industry have long since embraced as sufficient for a variety of high-security needs (eg: eID cards, as a number of members have pointed out) > > However, if the intended usage of the key K is also for unwrapping (as in > the two-step key wrapping described above), we need a way to set > K.unwrap-extractable and K.unwrap-usages. > > Theoretically, we could go down the path of having unwrap-extractable and > unwrap-usages each be an array, popping the first value on each unwrap > operation, i.e. > > K.extractable = W.unwrap-extractable[ 0 ] > K.usages = W.unwrap-usages[ 0 ] > K.unwrap-extractable = W.unwrap-extractable[ 1 : ] > K.unwrap-usages = W.unwrap-usages[ 1 : ] > > (using python-like slice notation) > > It may not be necessary to explicitly expose these attributes on the Key > object: it may be sufficient to have them settable at key creation time. > > The other option is to have the extractable and usage attributes carried > securely with the wrapped key, as I have proposed. Note: This solution ONLY works with JWE-protected-JWK keys - it does not and cannot work with 'raw' or 'pkcs8'/spki. The smart card / HSM / SE industry certainly seems to recognize that mixing/matching as you propose only really works in an implementation-specific manner - see the CKM_SEAL_KEY proposal in the OASIS TC to see how the very nature of 'opaque' key blobs is left up to implementations because of this. You missed the third option though - which is that the (JavaScript) caller specifies the policy. As you explain below, that's not an option that maintains the extractability functionality. In this mail, I was exploring options which do that. If I can sum up the discussion so far, the two objections against this last point (eg: what is currently specified) are: 1) It allows end-users to manipulate variables (eg: in the Javascript console) to circumvent this 2) In the event of an XSS, an attacker can unwrap a key and set extractable to false. 2.1) The first attack requires the attacker has previously observed a wrapped key in transit (eg: MITM) before an XSS, then later XSSes and replays the original key with 'extractable' as true. 2.2) The second attack requires the attacker have XSSed the site, the server send a wrapped key, and the XSS change 'extractable' to true. I see #1 as an explicit non-goal for a general web spec - it's a feature, not a bug. I don't see it as consistent with the existing extractable attribute though. We should be consistent. Following your approach, we should remove the extractable attribute (not that I am proposing this). #2.1 can (and should) be mitigated via HTTPS and related. #2.2 can (and should) be mitigated via CSP and related. There are many ways in which the Javascript running on the users machine may not be the Javascript that either the user or the service provider expects. The extractability attribute provides some protection against such scripts obtaining the raw keying material once it has been installed, provided the browser itself is not compromised. We're not in a position to do security engineering for every possible application here, we're providing tools and extractability is a useful one. Given the above, it's completely reasonable to want to maintain this property with wrapped keys. Finally, the Structured Clonability of Key objects permits other creative uses that have strong parallels to existing software such as middleware, for example, by having a 'trusted' origin perform the unwrapping, and then postMessaging() to the untrusted origin (which, for example, may not be able to support strict CSP policies), while still preserving attributes. Sure, but you are making a bunch of assumptions or imposing a bunch of constraints on how applications are designed. What I can say is that for our application, this wouldn't work. Our security analysis suggests that we should in all cases attach a different level of trust to the Javascript code than we do to the browser code. Both can be compromised, of course, but the ways in which the Javascript can be attacked are more numerous and varied. ...Mark
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