- From: Lofton Henderson <lofton@rockynet.com>
- Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:18:39 -0600
- To: "Jeff Schiller" <codedread@gmail.com>,"Chris Lilley" <chris@w3.org>
- Cc: public-webcgm@w3.org
Hi Jeff, A minor update to Chris's links... At 09:51 AM 9/12/2006 -0500, Jeff Schiller wrote: >[...] >Thanks for the response, I will try to look at some of the links >you've provided. A later version [1] of the paper is linked from the top of this page [2], along with its corresponding PowerPoint [3]. The later version [1] references the earlier version and includes a FAQ section that addresses some questions and criticisms about the initial paper (Chris's reference). [1] http://www.cgmopen.org/technical/webcgm_svg.htm [2] http://www.cgmopen.org/webcgm/readings.html [3] http://www.cgmopen.org/technical/cgm-svg-slides-20040419.ppt Regards, -Lofton (Chair WebCGM WG) >Maybe these follow-up questions are easy to answer >though: > >1) Is there any technical benefit of WebCGM over SVG? Just breezing >over the spec I saw that "NURBs" are mentioned... > >2) Since this is surely to come up again, could some mention of "the >other spec" be given in both specs (maybe it's there and I missed it)? >Someone clueless like me will see both specifications and not have a >clear picture of which technology should be pursued for which purposes >and which has a brighter future. To me, they still look like >competing specifications. Hmm, maybe W3C is pursuing WebCGM now >because SVG adoption is lagging or ... That's just an example thought >process, I'm not trying to be provocative, hopefully you know I'm a >staunch promoter of SVG ;) > >Thanks again for your responses. > >Jeff Schiller > >On 9/12/06, Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org> wrote: >>Hi Jeff, >> >>On Tuesday, September 12, 2006, 4:08:25 AM, you wrote: >> >>JS> You knew someone would ask this eventually, I'm surprised the >>JS> charter doesn't mention it. >> >>(Agreed the WebCGM WG charter does not mention it). >> >>It has come up many years ago, in fact. The comparison was discussed at >>several XML conferences, for example XML Europe 2001: >> >>SVG and WebCGM A Comparison >>Chris Lilley, Graphics Activity Lead, W3C, France; >>Dieter Weidenbrück, CEO, ITEDO Software, Germany >> >>http://www.gca.org/attend/2001_conferences/europe_2001/graphics.htm >>http://www.gca.org/papers/xmleurope2001/papers/html/s12-1.html >> >>a later, more up to date comparison >>http://www.cgmopen.org/technical/cgm-svg-20040419.html >> >> >>JS> What is the differences in SVG and WebCGM? Is SVG intended as >>JS> general/all-purpose while WebCGM is only for technical/industrial >>JS> drawings? This seems like a rather arbitrary distinction. >> >>The main difference is field of use. The industrial technical graphics >>community picked CGM many years ago, its is today very widely used in a >>particular market segment (primarily defence, aerospace, and >>automotive). >> >>Those users wanted an evolutionary improvement to add reliable, >>vendor-neutral web linking; this requirement was met by WebCGM 1.0. >>http://www.cgmopen.org/webcgm/w3c_rpt.html >> >>At the same time, CGM has some limitations. Its not easily stylable with >>either CSS or XSLT; it is not in XML; it lacks the graphical richness >>needed for design intensive graphics; it has no animation capability. >> >>This is why SVG was started, after W3C had grappled with CGM (over the >>period 1996 to 1998). http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/WD-SVGReq-19981029 >> >>In general, WebCGM can be converted to SVG 1.1 without loss[1]. Even in >>the technical graphics community, SVG is also used for training >>materials etc (which need animation and more graphical richness) but the >>long lifecycle technical documentation still needs to use CGM. WebCGM 1 >>and WebCGM 2 are still valid ISO CGM and thus can be used in systems >>whose requirements were drawn upin the mid 1980s. >> >>Note that tools for generating WebCGM, such as ISODraw, often export to >>SVG as well. >> >>Some features from SVG, such as having a DOM, are now being added to >>WebCGM 2.0; but the main driver for WebCGM 2.0 is five years of >>industrial experience with WebCGM 1.0. >> >>JS> Why do we need two standards for scalable vector web graphics? Can >>JS> someone outline the purposes, distinctions, directions of these two >>JS> seemingly competing standards within the W3C ? >> >>Hopefully the above clarifies this to some extent. Happy to answer >>follow-on questions. >> >> >>[1] 99.5%, anyway - the CGM name attribute behaves like a non-unique ID >>and XML does not have such a construct. >> >>-- >> Chris Lilley mailto:chris@w3.org >> Interaction Domain Leader >> Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group >> W3C Graphics Activity Lead >> Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG >> > > >
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