Re: attention -- WG approval of 1.0 strategy

Comments inline.

On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 17:28 +0200, Thierry Michel wrote:
> Ian B. Jacobs wrote:
> > On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 16:21 +0200, Thierry Michel wrote:
> >> Ian B. Jacobs wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 2007-09-19 at 15:19 +0200, Chris Lilley wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, September 10, 2007, 5:51:47 PM, Lofton wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> LH> To summarize the below-linked minutes, our recommended strategy is to get
> >>>> LH> 4-week W3C/public review and publish the approved 1.0 errata document, but
> >>>> LH> to skip the hassle of republishing an entire new WebCGM 1.0 Third Release
> >>>> LH> document (Edited Recommendation).
> >>>>
> >>>>> Today's minutes:
> >>>>> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/WebCGM/WG/Minutes/2007/08/30-webcgm-minutes.html
> >>>> I heard that the 'approved errata' option was being removed due to not being used. i have copied Ian Jacobs for an authoritative statement on whether that can still be used or not.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ian, this is a publicly archived list.
> >>> The option still exists; we have not yet modified the Process Document.
> >>> We plan to propose to the AC to remove that option (as it has not been
> >>> used).
> >> So how should we process here ?
> >>
> >> We have currently a draft errata page approved by the WebCGM WG.
> >> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/WebCGM/WG/2007/errata-10/WebCGM10-errata-20070621
> >>
> >> We should have a 4-week W3C/public review ?
> >> How is such reviewed organized, What is the prcess ? (I have never done 
> >> this for SMIL). To which Mailing list this review request should be sent ?
> > 
> > We have not done this before, so I would need to look into this.
> 
> As you write and as I am aware, most WG do not go through this errata 
> review (I could not find any errata review process for it). I request 
> that the WebCGM does not go into this review and publishes its errata at 
> final destination.

No other groups have done this. Groups that want to make corrections
normative have republished.

> 
> > 
> >> Once it is reviewed we should publish it at its final destination
> >> http://www.w3.org/2007/WebCGM10-errata.html
> >>
> >> Can we just skip the 4-week W3C/public review as most of the W3C Groups 
> >> seem to proceed and publish it at its final destination
> >> http://www.w3.org/2007/WebCGM10-errata.html
> > 
> > If you skip the review, then you're not using the process to make
> > then normative.
> 
> How do other groups publish their errata ?

On errata pages, like you.

> > 
> >>> I see above "to skip the hassle of republishing an entire new WebCGM 1.0
> >>> Third Release document" Please note that the process for approved
> >>> corrections does require publication within 6 months. Can the group
> >>> confirm here their intention to publish within 6 months after
> >>> the end of the formal review period?
> >> The WebCGM WG does not plan to publish a third release of WebCGM 1.0.
> > 
> > Then it is inappropriate to use the process that expects such a
> > publication [1]:
> > 
> >   "In order for the corrections to remain normative, the Working Group
> >    MUST incorporate them into an edited Recommendation."
> > 
> > As a reminder, the purpose of this piece of process was only to postpone
> > publication, not eliminate the need for it.
> 
> 
> SMIL 1.0 has an errata page and there was no republication as edited 
> Recommendation for years and I am sure there are a lot of W3C documents 
> in the same case.

Right. There is no requirement to incorporate them normatively. But then
they are not normative. It's up to the community to decide what it needs
in the name of interoperability and usability of documents.

I have no advice on whether to make the corrections normative or not; I
would need to look more closely at your situation and hear more from
you about it. But if you choose to make them normative, I recommend the
shorter path of requesting publication of a revised Edition; that's a
little harder on the group but a lot easier on the (much larger)
community.

 _ Ian

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