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Re: extensions, continued.. (was: 05/24/2016 WebAuthn Summary

From: Dirk Balfanz <balfanz@google.com>
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2016 18:13:53 +0000
Message-ID: <CADHfa2D2phx44_i0XuJV=boaJ3=QGdRyGK6AK9qhO2GkN55rhw@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Hodges, Jeff" <jeff.hodges@paypal.com>, Vijay Bharadwaj <vijaybh@microsoft.com>
Cc: "public-webauthn@w3.org" <public-webauthn@w3.org>
Hi there,

Until Adam pointed this out to me in Berlin, I had no idea that these other
three extensions exited. Now, it's certainly my fault - and no one else's -
for not reading the attestation document more carefully (which is where
these three extensions were originally defined), but I honestly don't
remember these three extensions being discussed the way we discussed the
authenticator-selection and transaction-authorization extensions. Does
anyone else remember us discussing (perhaps in the FIDO 2.0 WG) these
extensions?

In particular, I don't understand why they are defined as "unprompted"
extensions. This is a privacy problem. How can the client do its job of
protecting user privacy if the authenticator is allowed to add data to the
assertion that the client doesn't understand? I get Jeff's point about
innovation if the RP and authenticator can agree on something even if the
client doesn't know what that something is, but I believe we should err on
the side of privacy here.

I would also point out that technically speaking, unprompted extensions are
not allowed according to the current text, which states that "*an extension
must specify, at minimum, an extension identifier and an extension client
argument sent via the {{getAssertion()}} or {{makeCredential()}} call*".

I therefore propose that these three extensions be changed to included a
client argument that signals to the authenticator that the information
described in the extension should be provided by the authenticator.

Thoughts? Opposing or supporting views?

Dirk.


On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 1:07 PM Hodges, Jeff <jeff.hodges@paypal.com> wrote:

> On 5/27/16, 12:50 PM, "Vijay Bharadwaj" <vijaybh@microsoft.com> wrote:
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> You mean you object to allowing the client a say in which extensions are
> emitted? We’re not talking about removing any existing extensions, just
> about clearly defining the circumstances under which an authenticator might
> emit them.
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> Yes, we would object to altering the present design that allows for
> authenticators to implement and emit extensions of their own volition, as
> pesently specified (c.f., AAGUID extension, SupportedExtensions extension,
> User Verification Index (UVI) extension).  We feel it is a
> subtle-but-important aspect of fostering the overall ecosystem.
>
> This entire thread has become quite frayed... having a concrete extension
> proposal on the table may help it coalesce -- I suggest that Giri write up
> the postulated "opaque data" extension using the framework that's presently
> defined in the spec and then hopefully we can more objectively assess it.
>
> HTH,
>
> =JeffH
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> *From:* Hodges, Jeff [mailto:jeff.hodges@paypal.com
> <jeff.hodges@paypal.com>]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2016 12:48 PM
> *To:* Vijay Bharadwaj <vijaybh@microsoft.com>
> *Cc:* public-webauthn@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: extensions, continued.. (was: 05/24/2016 WebAuthn Summary
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> On 5/27/16, 12:37 PM, "Vijay Bharadwaj" <vijaybh@microsoft.com> wrote:
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> One issue with that is that some of the extensions that are currently
> defined (in fact, 3 out of 5) are emitted unprompted by the authenticator.
> Though if we wanted to make this rule, I would be fine with it and we could
> add it in the spec if others agree.
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> Essentially the authenticator would still be allowed to ignore requested
> extensions, just not add new ones on its own.
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> We paypal object to obviating existing extensions.
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>  *From:* J.C. Jones [mailto:jjones@mozilla.com <jjones@mozilla.com>]
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> *Sent:* Friday, May 27, 2016 12:33 PM
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> That's how you'd enforce it: if the authenticator doesn't obey the
> contract, the signature won't be valid when the RP checks it.
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> Roughly the contract would be: Authenticators will only emit extensions
> they were prompted to emit.
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