- From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
- Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:13:07 -0400
- To: public-webapps <public-webapps@w3.org>
The draft minutes from the August 27 Widgets voice conference are
available at the following and copied below:
http://www.w3.org/2009/08/27-wam-minutes.html
WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send
them to the public-webapps mail list before 3 September 2009 (the
next Widgets voice conference); otherwise these minutes will be
considered Approved.
-Regards, Art Barstow
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Widgets Voice Conference
27 Aug 2009
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2009JulSep/0823.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/08/27-wam-irc
Attendees
Present
Art, Arve, Marcos, Jere, Marcin, AndyB, Benoit, Josh, Robin,
AnneVK
Regrets
Frederick
Chair
Art
Scribe
Art
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Review and tweak agenda
2. [6]Announcements
3. [7]P&C spec: IRI/URI normalization
4. [8]P&C spec: Test template
5. [9]A&E spec: proposal to change name to Widgets 1.0: widget
interface
6. [10]widget Interface spec: Storage Object
7. [11]Moving the "alert methods" to DAP?
8. [12]View Modes spec: Issue-97 -> How is ViewModes DOM
related to CSSOM?
9. [13]View Modes spec: Issue-96 -> Should we split the
ViewModes specification?
10. [14]View Modes spec: Issue-98 -> Cargo-culting (Relation
DOM3 Events)
11. [15]URI Scheme spec: status and next steps
12. [16]AOB
* [17]Summary of Action Items
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<scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
<scribe> Scribe: Art
Date: 27 August 2009
Review and tweak agenda
AB: draft agenda distributed on August 26 (
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/08
23.html ). Any change requests?
[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2009JulSep/0823.html
[ None ]
Announcements
AB: Reminders on upcoming deadlines: 1) Sep 14 is deadline to
register for Widgets Testing event (
[19]http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/TestWorkshop2009 ); 2) Sep
15 comment deadline for APIs and Events LCWD; 3) Sep 20 comment
deadline for WARP LCWD
... Does anyone have any short announcements?
[19] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/TestWorkshop2009
[ None ]
P&C spec: IRI/URI normalization
AB: on August 14 Marcin asked I18N Core WG (
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/06
44.html ) for feedback on IRI/URI normalization. Addison replied (
[21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/06
45.html ) with his personal comments but indicated the WG would
review our request. Marcin, what's the status?
... found [22]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-core-minutes.html#item05
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2009JulSep/0644.html
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2009JulSep/0645.html
[22] http://www.w3.org/2009/08/26-core-minutes.html#item05
<marcin2> I have not seen the update yet.
MH: no, I have no additional info on their discussions
AB: OK, I'll ping Addison on this
P&C spec: Test template
AB: on August 20 Marcos asked the MWTS WG too review the test
template (
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/07
69.html ). Marcos, what is the status?
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2009JulSep/0769.html
MC: they have not yet responded
AB: I did ping Dom privately and got a message he is out of the
office this week
... I'll ping him next week if he doesn't follow up
MC: OK
AB: is this blocking you Marcos?
MC: no
... we are progressing though as if we will get an OK from them
AB: that seems reasonable
... any other comments on this topic?
... any thing else on P+C for today?
[ No ]
A&E spec: proposal to change name to Widgets 1.0: widget interface
AB: on August 20 Marcos proposed (
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/07
74.html ) to change the name of the A&E spec to "Widgets 1.0: widget
Interface". Are there any objections to that proposal?
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2009JulSep/0774.html
RB: I'm ok with this
Arve: I'm OK with this change
<marcin2> +1
AB: I'm OK with it
<JereK> +1
BS: OK
RESOLUTION: A&E spec will be renamed to "Widgets 1.0: widget
Interface"
BS: what about short name?
RB: I think we can keep it
MC: agree
<Benoit> ;)
widget Interface spec: Storage Object
AB: on August 21 Scott Wilson (
[25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/07
83.html ) asked some questions about the Storage interface. I don't
believe anyone has responded to him. Marcos, what are the key issues
here? The latest ED for WebStorage is
[26]http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/
[25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2009JulSep/0783.html
[26] http://dev.w3.org/html5/webstorage/
MC: some things are underspecified
... re the Storage interface
... this is section 5.1
... I need to catch up on this thread
AB: anyone else have any comments?
[ No ]
AB: Marcos, how about you respond on the mail list?
MC: yes; I've started a draft response
... I agree we need to tighten the spec
... we made to do another LC
... but maybe it will just be a clarification
... I think this can be implemented in JS
... His concern is about hiding data
... and making some parts private
... thus a concern about querying
... There are some JS structures to protect data
... but it is easy for one object in JS to delete other objects
... I still think it is implementable in JS
... Perhaps Robin has some comments here.
RB: I also need to catch up on this thread
AB: what is the level of "done-ness" of the Web Storage spec?
MC: Hixie and the WHAT-WG made a change recently to allow storing
any data type
AB: so there are no longer any existing implemenations of the Web
Storage spec?
MC: yes, that's correct
AB: what can we do to help push that spec along?
MC: not much except to actively participate in the discussions
ongoing in other forums e.g. WHAT-WG, HTML WG, etc.
... there are several tracking mechanims we would have to follow
... the WHAT-WG list is probably the most important list
<scribe> ACTION: barstow talk to Hixie about the publication status
and plans for Web Storage [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/27-wam-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-396 - Talk to Hixie about the publication
status and plans for Web Storage [on Arthur Barstow - due
2009-09-03].
Moving the "alert methods" to DAP?
AB: During the August 13 call we talked how to deal with the two
alert methods that were removed from the A&E spec (
[28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/07
91.html ). Marcos agreed
([29]http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/actions/389 ) to talk to
Hixie about HTML WG taking those two functions.
... On August 25 Robin indicated (
[30]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/08
18.html ) these functions are in scope for the DAP WG.
... Marcos, have you discussed this with Hixie?
[28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2009JulSep/0791.html
[29] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/actions/389
[30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2009JulSep/0818.html
MC: no, I haven't talked to him about this
AB: Robin, do you have an Editor commitment within DAP?
RB: it's too early to tell
... but in theory we have an Editor for the UI spec of DAP
... not can't say for certain
AB: Arve, you expressed some concerns about DAP taking on these
functions
Arve: I think Robin's response covered my concerns
... I'm not too concerned about where they are defined
AB: do we have agreement that DAP will define these functions?
MC: I agree
RB: I agree
AB: are there any objections to that proposal?
Arve: not me; I agree
MC: I don't think it matters much but they do need to be define
RB: you could join DAP
<arve> +1
MC: I'm subscribed to DAP's list but not a member of the WG
RESOLUTION: the alert methods removed from the A&E spec will be
specified by DAP WG with cooperation from WebApps WG
AB: OK Robin?
RB: yes
AB: anything else about the widget Interface spec?
[ None ]
View Modes spec: Issue-97 -> How is ViewModes DOM related to CSSOM?
AB: Anne noted (
[31]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/08
00.html ) there is some overlap between the CSSOM View Module and
the latest ED of the VM spec (
[32]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/waf/widgets-vm ). Marcin raised
this as Issue-97 (
[33]http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/97 )
[31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2009JulSep/0800.html
[32] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/waf/widgets-vm
[33] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/97
<arve> we can hear you
AB: Anne and Marcin, want to find a way forward on this spec
<annevk> hmm
<annevk> if I sit closer to the Mac I can't see the screen
<marcin2> you could type what you say
<annevk> I'll just type
<annevk> the main problem I noted was that there was overlap between
the interfaces
<annevk> and I was wondering whether that overlap had been studied
<annevk> I haven't reviewed View Modes in full
<marcin2> it was not studied thoroughly yet
MH: yes, I noticed this overlap
... we will need to review each others specs
... and determine a way forward
... I think splitting View Modes spec will help us
... one part is Media feature; other is the interfaces
... think we can get quick agreement on Media feature
... and it does not overlap at all with CSSOM spec
... think priority should be the Media spec
... then we can take on the interfaces
AB: I get the sense that discussing the interfaces now prolly isn't
the #1 priority
... until we do more analysis, we should postpone discussion on the
interfaces
AvK: it may make more sense for the CSS WG to define the APIs
AB: thanks Anne for joining us; we will get back to you after we do
more work on the interfaces
MC: if need be, perhaps someone from WebApps can join CSS WG and
help form a bridge between the two WGs
MH: think first we should split the spec
... then we could propose APIs are spec'ed by CSS WG
... I think we can define the Media feature
MC: I don't care so much where the specs are done
... more important that the specs Get Done
... but we can't rely on CSS WG to do our work
MH: think we should define Media feature here in WebApps
... and them give them the interfaces
MC: but we'll need to give them resource to define the interfaces
MH: a concern I have is their scope is broader than our requirements
... I agree though we should do more about our interfaces
... but need to work closely with CSS WG
... want to avoid us creating something for which CSS WG finds
problematic
AB: we can certainly ask them to review anything we want
... we can't guarantee a response
RB: we need to be careful about tracking whether or not they respond
AB: agree; that means I'll need to follow-up with the CSS WG Chairs
and/or their Team Contact
<annevk> (nitpicking on the sideline here: you're required to reply
actually)
View Modes spec: Issue-96 -> Should we split the ViewModes
specification?
AB: on August 20 Marcin sent an email to CSS WG (
[34]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/07
64.html ) that asked for feedback about a propose spec split. On
August 24 Robin sent a follow-up to CSS WG (
[35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/07
99.html ). Marcin raised this as Issue-96 (
[36]http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/96 ).
[34] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2009JulSep/0764.html
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2009JulSep/0799.html
[36] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/96
MH: I created this to track the question
AB: what you did is OK
... what do people think about this?
MC: ok to split
RB: OK with me
AB: anyone object to splitting the spec?
[ None]
RESOLUTION: the VM spec will be split into two parts interfaces and
View Mode Media feature
MH: we can discuss spec titles with CSS WG
... I will split the spec into two specs
... I will get this FPWD ready ASAP
AB: I think you should get the Media feature spec ready first
MH: will do but I willl be on holiday most of next week
<scribe> ACTION: barstow close issue #96 [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/27-wam-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-397 - Close issue #96 [on Arthur Barstow -
due 2009-09-03].
View Modes spec: Issue-98 -> Cargo-culting (Relation DOM3 Events)
AB: Marcin raised (
[38]http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/98 ) this issue on
August 26 after a related discussion on www-dom and public-webapps
but it appears there is consensus o(
[39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JulSep/08
14.html ) n how to address this issue. Marcin, what's the status of
this Issue?
[38] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/issues/98
[39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/
2009JulSep/0814.html
MH: there are a few sub-issues
... what is closed is the type argurment
... the bubbling and canceling still needs some discussion
... we need to talk with the DOM people
... but these issues are part of the VM Interfaces spec so not the
highest priority ATM
... we can discussion started with DOM and CSS WG after we get a
FPWD out
... we could close this issue and create a new one re bubbling and
canceling
AB: that's OK with me
... anyone object to that?
RB: I'm fine with that
[ No other objections ]
RESOLUTION: Issue #98 will be closed and Marcin will create a new
issue related to Bubbling and Canceling events vis-a-vis the VM
Interfaces spec
AB: anything else on View Modes for today?
[ None ]
URI Scheme spec: status and next steps
AB: the URI Scheme spec's FPWD was 18 June (
[40]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/waf/widgets-uri/ )
[40] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/waf/widgets-uri/
RB: we haven't had much feedback
... was expecting more feedback from TAG despite me prodding them
... Not sure what to do next
... We could fix the technical issues and then publish a LCWD
... That would prolly be the easiest way
MC: I agree we should do that
RB: I'm happy to make the related fixes
AB: I tend to support that proposal
... I don't think we'll get any more feedback until we publish a
LCWD
... any objections to preparing a LCWD of the URI Scheme spec?
[ None ]
<scribe> ACTION: Berjon prepare URI Scheme spec for LCWD [recorded
in [41]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/27-wam-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-398 - Prepare URI Scheme spec for LCWD [on
Robin Berjon - due 2009-09-03].
RB: I'll try to get it ready in one week
AB: OK, so then let's try to be in a position where on Sep 3 we can
make a Yes/No decision
AOB
AB: anything?
MH: re WARP
... we in ACCESS are thinking about objecting to this spec
... I provided some info a while ago
... the feature element and this spec is the basis for our concern
... the subdomain attribute of access element is a problem area
... think we need a more extensible design
... may want to include other URI schemes e.g. sms:, tel:, etc.
... also the name of the spec is an issue
... need more work on security model
... need more spec on what is done in the proc model and what is
defined in the syntax of <access>
... need to have some related discussions in DAP
RB: can you put your concerns in an email?
MH: yes, I will do that
RB: for each issue, please raise a LC issue
... if you are not satisified with the WG's response, that will lead
to a Formal Objection
MH: my email will include proposals on how to address the issues I
raise
RB: please indicate the issues are against the LC doc
AB: anything else on this subject?
... one reason we had a long review period for WARP was to give DAP
some time to ramp up and review it
... any other topics for AOB?
[ None ]
AB: Meeting Adjourned
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: barstow close issue #96 [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/27-wam-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: barstow talk to Hixie about the publication status and
plans for Web Storage [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/27-wam-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Berjon prepare URI Scheme spec for LCWD [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2009/08/27-wam-minutes.html#action03]
[End of minutes]
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