- From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
 - Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 08:12:04 -0400
 - To: public-webapps <public-webapps@w3.org>
 
The minutes from the July 31 Widgets voice conference are available  
at the following and copied below:
  <http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html>
WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send  
them to the public-webapps mail list before August 7 (next voice  
conference); otherwise these minutes will be considered approved.
-Regards, Art Barstow
    [1]W3C
       [1] http://www.w3.org/
                                - DRAFT -
                        Widgets Voice Conference
31 Jul 2008
    [2]Agenda
       [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/ 
2008JulSep/0289.html
    See also: [3]IRC log
       [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-irc
Attendees
    Present
           Art, Arve, Benoit, Marcos, David, Claudio, Luca, Nick, Mark,
           Bryan
    Regrets
    Chair
           Art
    Scribe
           Art
Contents
      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Review Agenda
          2. [6]Annoucements
          3. [7]OMTP Intro
          4. [8]Widget Requirments Last Call
          5. [9]Widget State Change Events
          6. [10]R15 and R16
          7. [11]Turing f2f Attendance
      * [12]Summary of Action Items
      _________________________________________________________
    Date: 31 July 2008
    <scribe> Scribe: Art
    <scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
Review Agenda
    <scribe> Agenda:
    [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/02
    89.html
      [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/ 
2008JulSep/0289.html
    AB: any changes?
    [None]
Annoucements
    AB: new people include Bryan from AT&T and Nick and David from OMTP
    ... What is your interest Bryan in this WG?
    BS: I'm active in MWBP and DD WGs
    ... the WebApps' Widgets specs are of interest to me in the mobile
    context
    AB: reminder that the Turnin f2f is Aug 26-28
    ... any other announcements?
    Benoit: our widget implementation work is progressing well and we
    hope to be more active in this WG
OMTP Intro
    NA: I am OMTP CTO
    DR: I am involved in external relationships; also have a mobile
    security background
    NA: OMTP is an industry forum; 4 years old now
    ... it's all about mobile applications and services
    ... we have 8 operators participating
    <marcos_> [14]http://www.omtp.org/Membership.aspx
      [14] http://www.omtp.org/Membership.aspx
    NA: we have mainly produced requirements aka "recommendations"
    ... areas of focus are: application security e.g. signing
    ... also some reqs for browser functionality
    <marcos_> [15]http://www.omtp.org/Publications.aspx
      [15] http://www.omtp.org/Publications.aspx
    NA: BONDI is the result of a study we did
    ... reflects what our members are doing and others
    ...
    [16]http://opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2008/07/omtp_bond
    i_a_de_1.html
      [16] http://opengardensblog.futuretext.com/archives/2008/07/ 
omtp_bondi_a_de_1.html
    <marcos_> [17]http://www.omtp.org/bondi/
      [17] http://www.omtp.org/bondi/
    NA: we see lots of fragmented APIs and weak security
    ... "BONDI" it is mainly a marketing term
    ... but its about app security and secure APIs
    ... we are focused on reqs but specs are needed
    ... want to work with W3C regarding the specs
    ... i.e. want W3C's specs to address our reqs if possible
    ... we will publish draft docs in the middle of next week
    ... we have two WGs Interfaces and Architecute + Security
    ... interfaces in this context means JavaScript
    ... we realize the interfaces must be based on good security model
    ... e.g. policy management and delegating authority
    ... also expect the "package" to have a clear identity
    ... we think our interests align well with the WebApps WG
    ... there could be other WGs of interest e.g. Geolocation WG
    ... any questions?
    AB: thanks for that intro
    ... I'm a bit concerned about the IPR commitments from OMTP inputs
    ... especially since some members of OMTP are not members of the W3C
    NA: we are working on a concrete proposal on how to deal with this
    issue
    AB: please include me in any related discussions with the W3C staff
    NA: will do
Widget Requirments Last Call
    AB: comment period ends on August 1
    ... will that meet your timeframe Nick?
    NA: yes
    DR: we will submit comments by the deadline
    Benoit: when is the "real" deadline
    MC: I can handle some late feedback but don't want to extend the
    deadline too far
    AB: I can send a reminder to the WGs
    MC: I'm OK with extending the period one week if necessary
    <scribe> ACTION: barstow send a reminder to all of the WGs we asked
    to do a review [recorded in
    [18]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html#action01]
    <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Send a reminder to all of the WGs we
    asked to do a review [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-08-07].
    Benoit: we want to use the f2f to finalize the P&C spec, right?
    MC: yes, that's the plan
    Bryan: what level of comments are you expecting?
    ... thoughts and questions or detailed requiements?
    MC: comments at all levels are welcome
    Bryan: I am working with the MWBP WG to consolidate their reqs
    MC: great
    AB: the LC doc is:
    [19]http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625
    ... where do we stand on Cynthia's comment?
      [19] http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625
    MC: she is asking about the relationship to the WAI Content
    Guidelines
    ... I agree we need a proper reference
    ... and I can add it
    ... here is my response
    [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008JulSep/02
    95.html
      [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/ 
2008JulSep/0295.html
    AB: any objections to the proposal I submitted?
    [None]
    MC: I will update the doc accordingly
    AB: what about Benoit's comments?
    ... I haven't read them yet
    Benoit: and I haven't read Marcos response
    AB: then let's follow up on the mail list
    ... what about Krzysztof's comments?
    MC: I am working on a response
    ... some of the major things he raises are why we don't use MIME for
    the packaging format
    ... also raises issues related to the AWWW and file extensions
    AB: should we try to invite him to an interactive chat/IRC session?
    MC: good idea
    <scribe> ACTION: Barstow work with Marcos to set up an IRC/chat
    session with Krzysztof [recorded in
    [21]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html#action02]
    <trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Work with Marcos to set up an
    IRC/chat session with Krzysztof [on Arthur Barstow - due
    2008-08-07].
Widget State Change Events
    Benoit: want to be able to programtically change the Widgets' state
    ... e.g. programatically change Widget from "docked" to "not docked"
    MC: OK, I understand
R15 and R16
    Benoit: regarding R15
    [22]http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625/#r15.-
      [22] http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625/#r15.-
    MC: I see what you mean
    AB: I agree R15 should be MUST
    BS: <clarifies his comments on Proxies>
    MC: I've clarified that text
    Bryan: I will send a comment re the platform proxy
    ... by default, a platform proxy may be essential e.g. within an
    enterprise domain
    ... should leverage the platform proxy if one is defined
    MC: what about a per-widget proxy
    Bryan: that could be useful
    MC: any other comments on the proxy issue?
    [None]
    AB: any other feedback Benoit on Marcos' response to you?
    Benoit: nothing jumps out yet; I'll read later but in general Marcos
    has done good work
    ... when do you expect to complete the review Marcos?
    MC: hopefully by the end of next week
    ... if we get new reqs that could slow things
    Benoit: what's the next step?
    AB: the next phase in Candidate
    ... it can sit in Candidate state for 3-4 weeks or several months;
    we can decide later
    Benoit: is the plan for P&C spec to go to LC in October still
    current?
    MC: I'd feel better if we did not go to LC until there is at least a
    quick-and-dirty implementation
    Arve: a problem with implementing before LC is that the proto tends
    to stick
    ... I recommend not implementing until after LC
Turing f2f Attendance
    MC: yes
    Arve: YES
    <Benoit> yes
    Nick and David: yes
    Bryan: no
    Claudio and Luca: yes
    Art: yes
    Mark: not sure; hope to though
    ... If I can't make it then somone else from VF should be able to
    attend
    AB: meeting closed
Summary of Action Items
    [NEW] ACTION: barstow send a reminder to all of the WGs we asked to
    do a review [recorded in
    [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: Barstow work with Marcos to set up an IRC/chat session
    with Krzysztof [recorded in
    [24]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/31-wam-minutes.html#action02]
    [End of minutes]
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