- From: Matt Giuca <notifications@github.com>
- Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2020 17:40:21 -0700
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I'd rather not tie any of this to service workers; it increases the complexity by an order of magnitude. (That's why we ended up removing service worker from the manifest; they are unrelated, and that's by design, as with all the pieces of the web platform, they are separate and composable.) The way I view it, the service worker is an implementation detail of the application (something the user can't see or interact with at all), while the manifest is the user-facing concept of an application. While generally websites will want to have them at the same scope, you can for instance have a top-level SW scope but with lots of smaller-scoped app manifests. I remember discussions early on in the desktop PWA project on Chrome to have links open in the app if they were within the _service worker_ scope, which I shot down because I don't think service worker scope should have any bearing on the way the user experiences the app. (In much the same way as the user shouldn't care about whether there's a proxy server in between the client and the real backend.) Under that philosophy, I don't see there being a particular need for a SW-to-SW migration. If you just tear down the old SW and spin up a new one, you can just re-cache everything (or find some mechanism to transfer the cache so it doesn't have to be redownloaded). That's a very different problem to _manifest_ migration, which can't be done in user-space because it involves changing the URL that installed OS-level "apps" are pointing to, and potentially informing the user that the application is changing. > I would find it odd if a web application was identified by anything other than a Uniform Resource Identifier. Apart from being what makes the web the web, URIs make great origin-unique tokens! I would hope there's no need to invent another type of ID namespace like Play Store/App Store style app IDs. True. I like identifying things with URLs*. I would be OK with saying the "id" is a URL. But when we thought about it, the URL never actually gets resolved, so it would effectively just be an opaque string. If we did want to use URL syntax to express the ID, we shouldn't use the "https" scheme (since that implies it's an actual resolvable resource). We'd have to come up with our own scheme, like "webapp://example.com/user-specified-id". But in the `id` field, the origin would be implicit (since we can't let you specify the origin of your app's ID, it has to be the origin of your `start_url`/`scope`). So we may as well just make the `id` an opaque string, which if you like, can be formed into a URL like the above, but in practice, you'd never see the URL, and it would be easier to just state that "the unique identity of an application is the pair of (app origin, user-specified-id)", rather than inventing a whole new URL scheme. \*By the way, I'm avoiding use of the term "URI" simply because the [URL Standard](https://url.spec.whatwg.org/) says that the term "URI" is deprecated in favour of "URL". I personally think it's useful having a distinction, but I fought this years ago, and gave up. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/w3c/manifest/issues/586#issuecomment-609513249
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