Re: [w3c/charter-html] Charter must state a reason when duplicating work done elsewhere (#139)

On 5/23/2017 10:56 AM, Florian Rivoal wrote:
>
>     Given that one of the chairs doesn't even agree that the WHATWG
>     specs are upstream, and disagrees with the widespread belief that
>     the primary value add comes from the patent commitments, I doubt
>     if @frivoal <https://github.com/frivoal>'s issue can be resolved
>     in this charter.
>
> I have some doubts too, but under the circumstances, is it reasonable 
> to grant a charter extension? Especially when this issue was raised on 
> the previous 2 instances of this charter, and dealing with it in 
> parallel has mean not dealing with it.
>
>     I had let hope overrule experience [...]
>
> It goes both ways.
>
> I am not sure I want to let the hope that this issue will be worked on 
> if we approve charters that do not address it overrule the experience 
> that it will be ignored until the next renewal, at which point we 
> won't have time to handle such a thorny issue and will need to approve 
> the charter so that work can proceed, but surely we'll deal with it 
> before the 2021 charter. Or the one after.
>

I think this issue can be discussed at two levels.

One level is the literal request of this issue "state a reason when 
duplicating work done elsewhere".  For this issue I had proposed text 
early in this thread which I thought could be supported as a logical 
explanation both by those who are most passionate about the work in W3C 
and those that are most skeptical about the work in W3C.  I didn't see 
any substantive attacks on my proposal - yet my proposal did not seem to 
get any traction.  Accordingly, I am willing to withdraw my proposal.

One of the reasons that I am willing to withdraw my proposal is because 
I think that the paper exercise of "stating a reason" is far less 
important than the second level of discussing this issue.

The second level of discussing this issue is to actually get the two 
communities (W3C and WHATWG) that are doing overlapping work to work 
more closely together.  To me, that's the real issue.  It is not all 
that important that we write down in the Charter why there is duplicate 
work.  It is amazingly important that we minimize that duplicate work by 
being a single team.

Again, if anyone can help facilitate that discussion with the WHATWG, I 
and the rest of W3C would be very happy to work on the real issue.

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