Re: [w3c/charter-html] Drop "DOM 4" or any copy/paste efforts (#145)

> I'm not sure why you think the only way to demonstrate the spec reflects reality is through WPT, or what certain implementors read - while WPT in particular is very valuable, the fact that there isn't a test there for something isn't a proof that it doesn't happen.

I think that's pretty much exactly the definition of "not happening" - because if it's not observable/testable (even manually), then it can't by definition be determined to be interoperable. Thus can't proceed past CR (without political meddling or other shinnanigans). 

Look, bottom line is that I think the WG has plenty of good things to do. Where there is a breakdown with the upstream (WHATWG), that can only be resolved by getting implementers to implement stuff. It appears that the W3C Process is being hijacked to push for changes that didn't get consensus - by using "but it's a REC! You have to do it" as some kind of false indication of quality or agreement. That's detrimental to the W3C as a whole, because it discredits all other specs. 

Re: microdata, taking things from the WHATWG that are not going to be implemented in browsers is questionable at best (I personally don't think the W3C should be in the business of standardizing non-browser things:... but whatever). Ultimately copy/pasting the upstream specs has to prove of value. 

And that value remains unproven (to me, at least). So again: can you please show concretely where something in the w3c spec(s) is reflecting reality as a direct result of the WG's effort? I'm totally willing to be convinced and I'm pretty easily impressed (just drop "Chrome does X", "Firefox does Y", etc. and then there will be no argument about value). 

If you can't show the above - then please reconsider your position here. We have plenty of other fun things to focus on. It's heartbreaking we are still having discussions about this. 


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