- From: Wendy Seltzer <wseltzer@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 08 May 2014 13:57:37 -0400
- To: "public-web-security@w3.org" <public-web-security@w3.org>
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks to IG members and guests Antonio Fontes (OWASP) and Dave Raggett (W3C SysApps) for joining the May WebSec call. Draft Minutes are posted here, and in text below: http://www.w3.org/2014/05/06-websec-minutes.html including: - - OWASP presentation (by Antonio FONTES from OWASP) - - SysApp WG security model (by Dave RAGGETT from W3C) - - Report from W3C Web Payment Workshop, with a special focus on identity, security and privacy, and a little bit of STRINT - - Status on next W3C Workshop related to secure token and secure services, - - Action items for the IG Best, - --Wendy - ----minutes---- Welcome Virginie: Welcome, review agenda OWASP presentation (by Antonio FONTES from OWASP) Virginie: Wanted to increase interaction between OWASP and W3C on Web security Antonio: I work in info sec, specializing in web app security ... involved in OWASP since 2008 <virginie> OWASP foundation website : [13]https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Main_Page [13] https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Main_Page Antonio: not official representative ... Open Web Application Security Project ... organized around foundation, mission to help management make informed decisions on web application security ... guidance, tools, info, frameworks, best practices, references ... to manage lifecycle of applications ... Documents, conferences, <virginie> OWASP conferences [14]https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_AppSec_Confe rence [14] https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_AppSec_Conference Antonio: Chapters, more than 200 worldwide <virginie> OWASP chapters [15]https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Chapter [15] https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Chapter Antonio: Chapters build connection to local level Virginie: How can we interact, work with you on deliverables? Antonio: Should talk about mailing lists ... have more than 36k members registered on lists ... to share info, get feedback OWASP mailing lists: [16]https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo [16] https://lists.owasp.org/mailman/listinfo Antonio: mailing lists could be avenue for collaboration ... Documentation project sometimes reviews externally produced docs ... to provide guidance, suggestions ... Top 10 Web App Sec Security Risks ... Every year, collect factual data to identify risks ... used by orgs for reference, fast overview <virginie> [17]https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Top_Ten_Proj ect [17] https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Top_Ten_Project Antonio: Review against this top 10, at least ... ASVS ... Aims at standardizing entire verification set <virginie> [18]https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Application_ Security_Verification_Standard_Project [18] https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Application_Security_Verification_Standard_Project Antonio: everything you should verify in a web app that asserts it's secure ... ZAP Proxy, a tool that helps testing of web apps <virginie> [19]https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Zed_Attack_Proxy_Proj ect [19] https://www.owasp.org/index.php/OWASP_Zed_Attack_Proxy_Project Antonio: downloadable from OWASP ... ESAPI, library of secure code ... questions? <antonio> the library is the ESAPI <antonio> Entreprise Security API <virginie> ESAPI (The OWASP Enterprise Security API) [20]https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Enterprise_S ecurity_API [20] https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Enterprise_Security_API wseltzer: We look forward to discussing closer work with OWASP, including possible collaboration on reviews Virginie: Great to hear of the number of people involved in OWASP activities fjh: Do you have info on usage of verifications ... @@ antonio: we are trying get better usage information ... we know governments are using ASVS ... as standard for internal development ... We have seen Top 10 integrated in almost all security reference <fjh> second question was whether you are seeing anything related to Target breach, which has had big business impact, any new work based on this antonio: We have no large standards-level reference to ASVS <fjh> thanks, that all makes sense regarding asvs antonio: hard to get reference to 140 controls fjh: Did Target breach have repercussions? Antonio: Yes. Any breach that gets lots of media attention calls attention to security ... but we don't often get details about the vulnerability, whereas we did in Target. <fjh> yes, target will be a great use case for justification for need of security analysis etc virgine: We'll see how to collaborate in follow-up <fjh> thanks Antonio for excellent summary SysApp WG security model (by Dave RAGGETT from W3C) <dsr> [21]http://www.w3.org/2012/sysapps/ [21] http://www.w3.org/2012/sysapps/ Virgine: Thanks Dave Raggett for joining to discuss SysApps dsr: SysApps is looking at giving web developers rich access to device capabilities ... requiring greater levels of trust than normal APIs <dsr> [22]http://www.w3.org/2012/09/sysapps-wg-charter.html [22] http://www.w3.org/2012/09/sysapps-wg-charter.html dsr: started with 2 phases of work, may re-charter ... Rich capabilities, example Sony's work on access to raw sockets ... That's not something you'd want to give to arbitrary web app ... 2 classes of apps. Packaged install, hosted app on website ... For both, thinking about manifest ... earlier w3c work on widgets not widely deployed ... JSON manifest started in SysApps, transferring to WebApps ... info about the app, e.g. full-screen ... App URI, allowing apps, whether hosted or packaged, to download resources in the same way ... Security and permissions ... open meeting re trust and permissions ... also rechartering <virginie> doodle for participating [23]http://doodle.com/6mequ2befp3ax592#table [23] http://doodle.com/6mequ2befp3ax592#table dsr: different approaches: Native apps, Android list permissions up-front ... iOS run-time request to user ... relates to EULAs ... How should we do this on the Web? ... experence from Device APIs, Geoloc ... privacy ... privacy footprint ... do users understand questions they're being asked? terri: question on manifests and security dsr: work on manifests in webapps ... some companies would like to add permissions in manifest ... if we want to allow devs to deal with manifests, need standard naming <christine> q fjh: Is it correct to say security model needs work, using th workshop to progress? dsr: Yes, runtime security model discontinued christine: Please come talk to PING regarding privacy considerations dsr: thanks, will do terri: How does sysapps interact with CSP? dsr: more webapps than sysapps ... some discussion, still ongoing ... woudl be able to use CSP, based on same-origin model ... other things to do with trust ... how does that affect permisioning model ... browsers vary on how they remember "clicked yes" ... based on HTTPs virginie: thanks, we'll loook forward to hearing about the workshop Report from W3C Web Payment Workshop, with a special focus on identity, security and privacy, and a little bit of STRINT Virgine: reports from workshops <virginie> Payment report [24]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/payments/final_report.html [24] http://www.w3.org/2013/10/payments/final_report.html virginie: discussion of privacy and security; several references to trusted user interface ... re payments, w3c is looking to charter new Interest Group <virginie> STRINT report [25]https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iab-strint-report-00 [25] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iab-strint-report-00 <virginie> What may fall in W3C [26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-security/201 4Apr/0008.html [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-security/2014Apr/0008.html Status on next W3C Workshop related to secure token and secure services, Virginie: Worshop on secure tokens and hardware authentication ... Sept 10-11 in Mountain View ... has been approved by w3c, will share info soon ... working with FIDO Alliance, smartcard vendors ... how to integrate hw security for secure authentication Action items for the IG <virginie> We have a recent proposal from Wendy to take web rtc as a possible [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-security/201 4Apr/0006.html [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-security/2014Apr/0006.html Virginie: actions; e.g. Wendy's thinking on webrtc and Web Security model ... end these calls with call for volunteers, info share <virginie> [28]https://www.w3.org/Security/wiki/IG [28] https://www.w3.org/Security/wiki/IG Virginie: e.g. volunteers for web security guidelines <virginie> [29]https://www.w3.org/Security/wiki/IG/W3C_spec_review [29] https://www.w3.org/Security/wiki/IG/W3C_spec_review <virginie> [30]https://www.w3.org/Security/wiki/IG/W3C_spec_review/Securit y_Guidelines [30] https://www.w3.org/Security/wiki/IG/W3C_spec_review/Security_Guidelines virginie: thanks, and keep in touch on the list [adjourned] <antonio> thank you all <virginie> thanks antonio, dave and all participants - -- Wendy Seltzer -- wseltzer@w3.org +1.617.715.4883 (office) Policy Counsel and Domain Lead, World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) http://wendy.seltzer.org/ +1.617.863.0613 (mobile) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTa8WMAAoJENTy3wcgk0elVFEP/3Uqh+55Qcx7QkWOAbFdhJlC O0TqyEA6k+ZIW1aPetIb19yLMc8pErp6KTU1wBT7DRpd3b7lztZPAMwqwIP5EExb km6rGuSEXkFLOwRRntn5BjvnfRW+vxkVo5nCmmv/EPECdbf7ePvd9cu7exDH2Vl8 sXvunjlWXfzcN5eGfHZ77Y06W2iWmK1XTv5zm3z1dRnCPZ+LpA2tJPxxl4tp5skR GcxogJ31inwOmFbfrZPPLpmlDdq+TaOGvENRFcWls6lruc0zN+ms++GrL0yt1Fla d+AYEF1xXkZ1iOV9bjoa8tAlw0XM9zDaT39x4ZHkHUSbHC8HrCf6pFE3LIb9FMXH wJw/JVqdOCJIavsmuy3HcD258u0cOR1PgQ/0UmZplD/Tu+URH559Rj3wLQX+ntLj kkbGpKhfcKR0XZMXJ+qBgeyKBYwoPKXCFSkeCO061xsKRfj8xpmP05T3VFYsiQfp lGxV8Y/LgRN79XZIXJYLGWx3obHbkTLKtr71c3Du/VMJCbEjK944OKmAuATiLVg5 0EtdefMokpgDAIa9HE2/n9dNRfheZANxXaeKrtHKMSWMBgioVbcyBfKjBerupgM3 K3Sa2dsUXiCZ5AFwtYQlCbJD8we5XZgtLbwLJbDq2iJJj+tPqI2btvNaf+9+uCwM uh16sC9XDMx49YofzYhe =JE8F -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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