- From: Scott Cadillac <scott@xmlx.ca>
- Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 09:44:38 -0600
- To: <public-web-plugins@w3.org>
Thank you for correcting my assumption Richard, I guess it shows that I haven't spent much time with Java :-) Any thoughts on my question about embedded XML and external calls to other XML and XSL/XSLT? Scott Cadillac, XML-Extranet - http://xmlx.ca 403-281-6090 - scott@xmlx.ca Well-formed Development -- Extranet solutions using C# .NET, Witango, MSIE and XML > -----Original Message----- > From: public-web-plugins-request@w3.org > [mailto:public-web-plugins-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of > Richard M. Smith > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 6:01 AM > To: public-web-plugins@w3.org > Subject: RE: What a prior art product must do > > > > A quick guess of what Eolas might be thinking. In claim #1, a Java > class file is the embedded file and the external application > is the JVM. > > > The '906 patent was filed before Java applets existed, so it shouldn't > be too surprising that they are not described in the patent text. > Regardless it doesn't mean that embedded applets can't infringe the > patent. > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > From: public-web-plugins-request@w3.org > [mailto:public-web-plugins-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Scott Cadillac > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:39 AM > To: public-web-plugins@w3.org > Subject: RE: What a prior art product must do > > > > I think you have a good point Christian, > > The Virtual Machine and/or .NET Runtime does exist outside of the > Browser, > but I guess a more low-level technical breakdown of how the Browser > accesses > the Machine/Runtime would be helpful here. > > Scanning quickly through some of the press stuff at > http://www.eolas.com/news.html I saw a few general references to the > phrase > "applet" to imply that Java apps are supposedly covered in the Patent. > > Obviously I haven't read the entire Patent Text, but a quick > word search > doesn't return anything about "applet" or "java" or "virtual" > (the Text > pre-dates .NET of course). > > http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HIT > OFF&d=PALL > &p=1 > &u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5,838,906.WKU.&OS=PN/ > 5,838,906& > RS=P > N/5,838,906 > > Is Eolas stretching their own interpretation? > > Or is the simple act of invoking an external process from the Browser > that > returns anything enough for the Patent? > > > This is the part that worries me. I don't actually use > embedded objects > as a > rule in my work, but I heavily rely on XML, specifically the > client-side > XML > Databinding support that MSIE has. > > Using the HTML <XML/> element in MSIE, and ActiveXObject() > via Jscript, > I > routinely call external XML data and XSL files that are delivered > dynamically from a Server-side process. > > Once the external data arrives back at the page that called it, user > and/or > dynamic interaction occurs. > > Could client-side XSLT be considered Hypermedia? It is a mixing of > different > types of data for viewing in a Browser after all. > > Any thoughts on whether this sort of stuff is at risk? > > I sure wish we had more information.... > > Scott Cadillac, > XML-Extranet - http://xmlx.ca > 403-281-6090 - scott@xmlx.ca > Well-formed Development > -- > Extranet solutions using C# .NET, Witango, MSIE and XML > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: public-web-plugins-request@w3.org > > [mailto:public-web-plugins-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of > > SerpentMage (Christian Gross) > > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 12:36 AM > > To: Jake Robb > > Cc: W3C Public Web Plugins List > > Subject: Re: What a prior art product must do > > > > > > > > Jake Robb wrote: > > > > >The Java Virtual Machine and the Common Language Runtime > > would count as > > >applications, which must be loaded in order for Java and > > .NET code to run. > > >I think that voids your loophole. > > > > > Yes, but my point is that the runtime is loaded when the browser is > > running. Hence when the "plugin" runs the runtime will already be > > running. There is no additional executable to run... > > > > Christian Gross > > >
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