Re: Notifications - Mac OSX 10.8

And I agree 100%, but things such as release of 10.8 introducing NC, change
things. And the API barely has any browser support atm. So it's still at
the stage of which it could be changed.

Obviously these have been brought up before and sadly I was unable to find
them so I figured I would make a thread and see what the response/reasoning
for keeping it was.

Either way, we shall continue on and see if we can try and get Apple to
allow custom icons.

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Andrew Wilson <atwilson@google.com> wrote:

> Apologies if I came off as hostile as that was not my intent (my "bold
> bullet point" was just a direct paste from the spec itself, and I guess
> some of the original style had carried over). It's not really productive to
> suggest significant changes late in the development of a specification
> without first familiarizing yourself with the previous discussions
> surrounding the issue in question, if only so you can point out aspects
> that were not fully considered in the previous discussion. Otherwise, we
> just end up reiterating the same arguments that have already been resolved.
>
> I'm unable to provide you with a single concise thread that you can review
> to bring yourself up to speed, since as you can imagine the design
> discussions have been spread across many different threads over the past
> few years of development.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Dub <dubcanada@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Someones a little hostile... who said Mac OSX was my favorite platform
>> lol... It's a people are willing to accept that on Linux certain things
>> don't work properly. It's part of the OS. On a mac this is not such a
>> concern. Anyways I'm not getting into arguing with you about the specifics
>> of different OS's you've already made yourself clear.
>>
>> All I was asking is for a person, such as yourself to point me in the
>> direction of such a thread as I spent a while searching before I randomly
>> made a new thread. And since you clearly have no desire to do such and
>> instead choose to send back enlarged bold bullet points to make a point
>> which I already know even more obvious I shall move on.
>>
>> Good day.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Andrew Wilson <atwilson@google.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Steven Verbeek <dubcanada@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are the benefits of having an icon really that important that we as
>>>> willing to have a fragmented API?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Again, we've already discussed the fact that not every platform will
>>> support all aspects of the API. I would strongly urge you to review the
>>> archives if you'd like to understand the arguments already presented. As
>>> far as I can tell, there is no new argument being presented here, other
>>> than "unsupported functionality is fine for other platforms, but not for
>>> ${MY_FAVORITE_PLATFORM}", so there's no reason to reopen the spec at this
>>> stage.
>>>
>>> I'd like to further point out that the spec already explicitly
>>> acknowledges that a given notification platform may not support icons, so
>>> this is not an unexpected development. For example, in section 5, where the
>>> description of the Notification() constructor procedure is enumerated:
>>>
>>> 9. *If the notification platform supports icons*, the user agent may
>>> start fetching<http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/fetching-resources.html#fetch>
>>>  notification's icon URL <http://www.w3.org/TR/notifications/#icon-url> at
>>> this point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>  The some flavours of Linux are expected, even things like drag and
>>>> drop support don't work on every single Linux. And Mac is probably only
>>>> like 5% of the community, however windows users have never experienced
>>>> notifications like those before.
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I kind of end to agree with apple when a notification comes in for a
>>>> website, and I'm not focused on the browser. Does it make sense to show
>>>> some random icon or the browser. I uses for gmail it may make sense to show
>>>> the gmail icon, but what if you have the gmail application on your
>>>> computer. Now your really confused.
>>>>
>>>> I could not find the thread you are asking about, could you link me?
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> On 2012-11-19, at 5:41 AM, Andrew Wilson <atwilson@google.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We've had discussions about this in the past, and the consensus we
>>>> arrived at was that we should not remove functionality from the API
>>>> to accommodate the limitations of a single platform. For example, the
>>>> notification system on some flavors of Linux do not support clicking on
>>>> notifications, and yet we continue to support adding onclick handlers to
>>>> the notifications.
>>>>
>>>> Please also review previous discussions on the list re: accessibility
>>>> and icons, as I think they apply in this case as well (the value of
>>>> providing an icon in the API even though not all platforms may support it).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Dub <dubcanada@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> According to Notification Center you cannot pass a custom icon to the
>>>>> notification center, it will show the icon of the application making the
>>>>> notification.
>>>>>
>>>>> That being said, I believe we should remove the icon from the
>>>>> notification draft, unless we can convince Apple to add in the ability to
>>>>> specific custom icons, this isn't possible to do on Mac 10.8+
>>>>>
>>>>> - Steve
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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