Re: [W3C Webmob] Profiles?

If we avoid problematic words but arrive at the same destination I am happy. I am not a fan of arbitrary lists or vocabulary prohibitions, and do not recommend that W3C engage in either. But reasoned focus on priorities given real-world use cases, yes. Whatever you accept to call that, I'm ok with it.

Thanks,
Bryan Sullivan

On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:14 PM, "Koichi Takagi" <ko-takagi@kddi.com> wrote:

The word "Profile" may cause misunderstanding.
Generally speaking, the meaning of the word "Profile" is [1]
(as Natasha said).
In terms of this meaning, "Profile" shall destroy the idea "one Web"[2].

Anyway, if we need another discussion, we should choose (or define) the
different word.
I think that's why Robin does not use the word "Profile" in the draft[2].
# I cannot find any other better word^^;;;

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profile_%28engineering%29
[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/#OneWeb

Koichi


> Hi all,
> 
>>> On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Natasha Rooney wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Sorry, can you clarify what you mean by profiles? I'm not sure what
> that is.
>>> 
>>> Lists of standards that something must adhere to. So, mobile browsers
> should have adhered to all the standards detailed on the "Coremob"
profile.
>> 
>> Oh, please please please no! Please let's not do that. Those silly lists
> are really unhelpful and constantly fall out of date (and are actually
> harmful in that they put a ceiling on what standards are to be supported
> by user agents). WAC tried to do this and it failed miserably, and so have
> a whole bunch of other organizations that don't get the Web.
>> 
>> One of the main reasons why we have living standards now is to put an
> end to profiles - i.e., the platform wants to be constantly updated (a
> platform that accesses constantly updating applications but can't update
> itself can only harm the Web... as legacy browsers once did before folks
> moved to an evergreen development model - but we are still seeing how
toxic
> non-updating browsers can be in Android 2.3 and old version of Windows
where
> people are stuck on IE8... poor souls).
>> 
>> Profiles encourage people to reference dated/versioned specs (very
bad!),
> which are what stagnate the Web. Instead, for example, if one references
> WHATWG HTML, it means "keep up with this living and always improving
thing".
> That's much better and how the Web really works (or, ideally, how we want
> it to work).
> 
> +100! ^^
> 
> I dislike profile.
> I did a similar argument last year in web-based signage BG.*1  This is
easily
> understandable thing when you watch the short history from XHTML to HTML5.
> 
> [1]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-websignage/2013May/0006.htm
> l (web-based signage bg ml)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Satoru Takagi

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