- From: Dominique Hazael-Massieux <dom@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 19:09:08 +0100
- To: public-web-mobile@w3.org
Hi, The minutes of our call today (Octobre 30) are available at: http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html and copied as text below. Please send suggested corrections as you see fit. Dom Web and Mobile Interest Group Teleconference 30 Oct 2013 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-mobile/2013Oct/0084.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-irc Attendees Present Jo_, schuki, dom, dka, girlie_mac, marcosc, dan_sun, Bin_Hu Regrets Chair Marcos Scribe schuki Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Things the group should focus on 2. [6]Offline 3. [7]TPAC * [8]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ Things the group should focus on <dom> [9]High priority topics [9] http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/Topics marcosc: we have asked people to send the items that they wish to focus on ... the list we got back came from new members and some stuff from coremob, bridge the gap etc. ... we have a list, it may not be complete, but is a good general list of items to focus on ... we want to try to focus on few items on this list ... so we can make good use of the time we have dom: i would like to hear from people on the call what they think ... I see things on the as being logical next steps ... we should identify a leader for each item and a proposed action plan ... for each item ... another thing that would be useful is identifying whatever mobile needs gets attention throughout the w3c ... so it would be helpful for us to identify this ... another great topic is the web security topic <Zakim> dom, you wanted to suggest a few approaches dom: let me give an example of how management has been involved in groups in the past ... jeff jaffe was involved in pushing html5 to becoming a standard ... if we think we need to use the W3C staff to drive a specification then I have been tasked with this ... it could be getting more staff to be involved in outreach, testing, etc. ... so please let me know dka: we have been having a conversation in the mailing list ... i posted something related to APIs ... i made a comment that we would have some research to share ... marcosc asked if we could share this ... the research looked at the gap between html and native apis <Jo_> zakim ??p16 is me dka: i don't see apis on this list ... so i see this as a gap in our understanding dom: what is currently in the list is what was happening at the time ... we hoped people would be free to add addtional topics ... on whether apis should be on the list: I think the responses on the mailing list was it wasn't entirely clear how it was applicable to the web <Zakim> Jo_, you wanted to observe that we appear to be short of survey results, quantification in general and to observe that missing features is a broader topic than APIs dka: I would like to add it to the list, and perhaps we might be able to add a workstream to this Jo_: i believe there is an important topic around apis and the gap with native ... from my perspective web apis will always be somewhat behind ... as native doesn't need standardisation ... i would like to see native-comparable apis ... and also need to see what needs to be delevoped for the future outside of this <dom> +1 on unavoidable lag between native and Web; the question is what APIs would feel the most important piece of the gap dka: i believe there are certain key APIs that devs want to use that are stopping them from using the web Jo_: we need some survey and quantification here ... this can help us push forward marcosc: we need to take a look at a list and find some consensus ... we should have a debate on the list ... there was some issues with the research so we should come back to this <Jo_> I want to be clear that filling the gaps in APIs needs to be based on research and preferably not opinionation of activists, since most activity does not occur amongst activists dom: i think this all feeds into buildng an action plan <Zakim> dom, you wanted to suggest this would make a good part of building the action plan dom: our first step is to determine what apis schuki: gap with native is the same as api work I think Jo_: I haven;t seen a response from others <dom> [10]Tobie on methodology to determine gaps [10] http://www.w3.org/mid/D938895B3EFF4FE29261B3DD12EB1D60@w3.org <Zakim> Jo_, you wanted to note that he did not complete original point which is to note that APIs though important are only part of the question Jo_: we shouldn't ignore offline ... should we lay out what we think is 'effective' Offline marcosc: we should try to identify a leader for offline dom: lets quickly describe what we would expect from people leading the dicussion? ... my prespective is [$1\47] a status update [$1\47] find the main players [$1\47] working with these people to identify tasks which are important [$1\47] identify people to help dan: is this part of closing the gap? marcosc: that is in scope too ... handling background events <dom> ACTION: marcos to propose action plan for "offline" [recorded in [11]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Propose action plan for "offline" [on Marcos Caceres - due 2013-11-06]. dom: marcos let's add you to be the leader here <trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/track/actions/60 [12] http://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/track/actions/60 <dom> ACTION-60? <trackbot> ACTION-60 -- Natasha Rooney to Propose action plan for "offline" -- due 2013-11-06 -- OPEN <trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/track/actions/60 [13] http://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/track/actions/60 <Zakim> dom, you wanted to suggest assigning a lead on each topic (starting with offline :) <Zakim> Jo_, you wanted to note that the chairs can't be the only people offering to "work" dom, Jo_: we need help from all the members to produce the work! dka: I would like us to help ... I am trying to find additional people from telefonica to help ... and +1 to adding effort to this marcosc: does anyone feel strongly about effort there? dom: I think storage quota is also important schuki: does it need it's own topic? dom: not sure if we should or not ... we should leave that connection to be established / varified later schuki: it could be a separate topic, but it will cross over to offline a lot marcosc: i think it still could be a separate topic with how many other implications it has ... any volunteers? <dka> +1 to it being an important topic dom: people may want to volunteer off the call <dom> ACTION: Dom to ask for a volunteer on storage quota management [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Ask for a volunteer on storage quota management [on Dominique Hazaƫl-Massieux - due 2013-11-06]. dom: so let's ask the list, otherwise i will take it <Zakim> Jo_, you wanted to return to the question of assessing "suer" demand in a systematic way Jo_: I am really interested in seeing whether w3c cn do some research into why developers aren't getting involved in the web on mobile <dom> [15]Some links to existing surveys [15] http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/articles#Developer_surveys marcosc: the homescreen bookmarking case is important for mozilla ... for a browser vendors / implmeneters point of view this is important <Jo_> thanks to dom for that, how can we use those results? how can we improve them? dom: what do we mean by users? end users or developers ... i was thinking about doing a survey on what developers want ... but surveys are difficult and some orgs (vision mobile) have done one ... if we want to do a survey on our own then we may be able to get the resources ... but there must be a good reason ... and we need someone to take the lead here marcosc: we may need help from a sociologist dom: and statisticians etc. <dom> Jo, would you have any interest in exploring the opportunity for a W3C survey in this space? <Zakim> dom, you wanted to comment on surveys TPAC <dom> [16]TPAC F2F [16] http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/TPAC_Face-to-Face [17]http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/TPAC_Face-to-Face [17] http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/TPAC_Face-to-Face <dom> ACTION: Natasha to update TPAC agenda based on Oct 30 call discussions [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Update tpac agenda based on oct 30 call discussions [on Natasha Rooney - due 2013-11-06]. <dka> I will be there - I can help. schuki: please send me any suggestions for the TPAC agenda marcosc: thank-you all! Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Dom to ask for a volunteer on storage quota management [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: marcos to propose action plan for "offline" [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Natasha to update TPAC agenda based on Oct 30 call discussions [recorded in [21]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html#action03] [End of minutes]
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