[minutes] Web and Mobile IG Oct 30

Hi,

The minutes of our call today (Octobre 30) are available at:
http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html

and copied as text below. Please send suggested corrections as you see
fit.

Dom

              Web and Mobile Interest Group Teleconference

30 Oct 2013

   [2]Agenda

      [2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-mobile/2013Oct/0084.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Jo_, schuki, dom, dka, girlie_mac, marcosc, dan_sun,
          Bin_Hu

   Regrets
   Chair
          Marcos

   Scribe
          schuki

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Things the group should focus on
         2. [6]Offline
         3. [7]TPAC
     * [8]Summary of Action Items
     __________________________________________________________

Things the group should focus on

   <dom> [9]High priority topics

      [9] http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/Topics

   marcosc: we have asked people to send the items that they wish
   to focus on
   ... the list we got back came from new members and some stuff
   from coremob, bridge the gap etc.
   ... we have a list, it may not be complete, but is a good
   general list of items to focus on
   ... we want to try to focus on few items on this list
   ... so we can make good use of the time we have

   dom: i would like to hear from people on the call what they
   think
   ... I see things on the as being logical next steps
   ... we should identify a leader for each item and a proposed
   action plan
   ... for each item
   ... another thing that would be useful is identifying whatever
   mobile needs gets attention throughout the w3c
   ... so it would be helpful for us to identify this
   ... another great topic is the web security topic

   <Zakim> dom, you wanted to suggest a few approaches

   dom: let me give an example of how management has been involved
   in groups in the past
   ... jeff jaffe was involved in pushing html5 to becoming a
   standard
   ... if we think we need to use the W3C staff to drive a
   specification then I have been tasked with this
   ... it could be getting more staff to be involved in outreach,
   testing, etc.
   ... so please let me know

   dka: we have been having a conversation in the mailing list
   ... i posted something related to APIs
   ... i made a comment that we would have some research to share
   ... marcosc asked if we could share this
   ... the research looked at the gap between html and native apis

   <Jo_> zakim ??p16 is me

   dka: i don't see apis on this list
   ... so i see this as a gap in our understanding

   dom: what is currently in the list is what was happening at the
   time
   ... we hoped people would be free to add addtional topics
   ... on whether apis should be on the list: I think the
   responses on the mailing list was it wasn't entirely clear how
   it was applicable to the web

   <Zakim> Jo_, you wanted to observe that we appear to be short
   of survey results, quantification in general and to observe
   that missing features is a broader topic than APIs

   dka: I would like to add it to the list, and perhaps we might
   be able to add a workstream to this

   Jo_: i believe there is an important topic around apis and the
   gap with native
   ... from my perspective web apis will always be somewhat behind
   ... as native doesn't need standardisation
   ... i would like to see native-comparable apis
   ... and also need to see what needs to be delevoped for the
   future outside of this

   <dom> +1 on unavoidable lag between native and Web; the
   question is what APIs would feel the most important piece of
   the gap

   dka: i believe there are certain key APIs that devs want to use
   that are stopping them from using the web

   Jo_: we need some survey and quantification here
   ... this can help us push forward

   marcosc: we need to take a look at a list and find some
   consensus
   ... we should have a debate on the list
   ... there was some issues with the research so we should come
   back to this

   <Jo_> I want to be clear that filling the gaps in APIs needs to
   be based on research and preferably not opinionation of
   activists, since most activity does not occur amongst activists

   dom: i think this all feeds into buildng an action plan

   <Zakim> dom, you wanted to suggest this would make a good part
   of building the action plan

   dom: our first step is to determine what apis

   schuki: gap with native is the same as api work I think

   Jo_: I haven;t seen a response from others

   <dom> [10]Tobie on methodology to determine gaps

     [10] http://www.w3.org/mid/D938895B3EFF4FE29261B3DD12EB1D60@w3.org

   <Zakim> Jo_, you wanted to note that he did not complete
   original point which is to note that APIs though important are
   only part of the question

   Jo_: we shouldn't ignore offline
   ... should we lay out what we think is 'effective'

Offline

   marcosc: we should try to identify a leader for offline

   dom: lets quickly describe what we would expect from people
   leading the dicussion?
   ... my prespective is [$1\47] a status update [$1\47] find the
   main players [$1\47] working with these people to identify
   tasks which are important [$1\47] identify people to help

   dan: is this part of closing the gap?

   marcosc: that is in scope too
   ... handling background events

   <dom> ACTION: marcos to propose action plan for "offline"
   [recorded in
   [11]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Propose action plan for
   "offline" [on Marcos Caceres - due 2013-11-06].

   dom: marcos let's add you to be the leader here

   <trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/track/actions/60

     [12] http://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/track/actions/60

   <dom> ACTION-60?

   <trackbot> ACTION-60 -- Natasha Rooney to Propose action plan
   for "offline" -- due 2013-11-06 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [13]http://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/track/actions/60

     [13] http://www.w3.org/Mobile/IG/track/actions/60

   <Zakim> dom, you wanted to suggest assigning a lead on each
   topic (starting with offline :)

   <Zakim> Jo_, you wanted to note that the chairs can't be the
   only people offering to "work"

   dom, Jo_: we need help from all the members to produce the
   work!

   dka: I would like us to help
   ... I am trying to find additional people from telefonica to
   help
   ... and +1 to adding effort to this

   marcosc: does anyone feel strongly about effort there?

   dom: I think storage quota is also important

   schuki: does it need it's own topic?

   dom: not sure if we should or not
   ... we should leave that connection to be established /
   varified later

   schuki: it could be a separate topic, but it will cross over to
   offline a lot

   marcosc: i think it still could be a separate topic with how
   many other implications it has
   ... any volunteers?

   <dka> +1 to it being an important topic

   dom: people may want to volunteer off the call

   <dom> ACTION: Dom to ask for a volunteer on storage quota
   management [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Ask for a volunteer on storage
   quota management [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due
   2013-11-06].

   dom: so let's ask the list, otherwise i will take it

   <Zakim> Jo_, you wanted to return to the question of assessing
   "suer" demand in a systematic way

   Jo_: I am really interested in seeing whether w3c cn do some
   research into why developers aren't getting involved in the web
   on mobile

   <dom> [15]Some links to existing surveys

     [15] http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/articles#Developer_surveys

   marcosc: the homescreen bookmarking case is important for
   mozilla
   ... for a browser vendors / implmeneters point of view this is
   important

   <Jo_> thanks to dom for that, how can we use those results? how
   can we improve them?

   dom: what do we mean by users? end users or developers
   ... i was thinking about doing a survey on what developers want
   ... but surveys are difficult and some orgs (vision mobile)
   have done one
   ... if we want to do a survey on our own then we may be able to
   get the resources
   ... but there must be a good reason
   ... and we need someone to take the lead here

   marcosc: we may need help from a sociologist

   dom: and statisticians etc.

   <dom> Jo, would you have any interest in exploring the
   opportunity for a W3C survey in this space?

   <Zakim> dom, you wanted to comment on surveys

TPAC

   <dom> [16]TPAC F2F

     [16] http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/TPAC_Face-to-Face

   [17]http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/TPAC_Face-to-Face

     [17] http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/TPAC_Face-to-Face

   <dom> ACTION: Natasha to update TPAC agenda based on Oct 30
   call discussions [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html#action03]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Update tpac agenda based on oct
   30 call discussions [on Natasha Rooney - due 2013-11-06].

   <dka> I will be there - I can help.

   schuki: please send me any suggestions for the TPAC agenda

   marcosc: thank-you all!

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Dom to ask for a volunteer on storage quota
   management [recorded in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: marcos to propose action plan for "offline"
   [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: Natasha to update TPAC agenda based on Oct 30
   call discussions [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2013/10/30-webmob-minutes.html#action03]

   [End of minutes]

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